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Good Riddance Jason Kidd


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Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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Since:Aug 20, 2007

February 21, 2008 12:14 am

I have wanted Kidd off this team for almost a full year now and I am so glad he is finally gone.  The team looks so much looser and happier without him here, not to mention the effort they played with that we have not seen all year long.  I am so glad I don't have to ever see that whiney, headache faking, wife beating, woman groping, selfish, quitter in a Nets uniform ever again. 

I wanted to get Bynum for Kidd last season, but after the emergence of Josh Boone and the drafting of Sean Williams, this may be the better deal for us.  I can't believe we got so much.

It was clear from the start of this year that Jason Kidd had lost a step.  He could no longer defend like he once could, his shot has regressed even more and he is shooting a terrible percentage, and he is now more turnover prone than I have ever seen him in his career.  Yeah he got triple doubles this year, but we lost most of those games anyway.  He played without passion and seemed not to care and I doubt he did.  I was convinced two months ago that the Nets would be a better team with Marcus Williams in the game than Kidd because Williams brings another dimension to the floor since he is a threat to scrore at any time.  Our set offense was awful with Kidd because he could only scrore on the fast break or from a wide open shot, so that made the rest of our players easier to defend.

With Kidd being clearly on the downside of his career and pretty close to washed up as well as demanding to be traded, I can't believe we got so much.  We got a PG who is only 24 years old and is already considered to be a top 10 PG in the league and is known as the second fasted man in the NBA after Barbosa.  He is also a great defender.  Getting Diop is also huge because he is like a coordinated version of Jason Collins, which is much better than the actual Jason Collins because he can move his feet, catch the ball and sometimes get it in the hoop. 

I am also glad that George and Stackhouse ruined the original deal because I really like what Trenton Hassel brings to the team.  He is one of the top defenders in the league, he can consistently knock down the mid range shot, and he hustles like there is no tomorrow.  Maurice Ager has a chance to develope into something as well since he was great at Michigan St.

After getting all of this I can't believe we also got two 1st round draft picks!!!!  This is amazing.

To sum up, this deal is great for the Nets and I like where we are heading.  The Mavericks are morons.  We weren't going to win anything with Kidd and neither are they so for them to mortgage their future for a 35 year old PG who skills have already diminished is unbelievably dumb, but thanks Mavs.  We have a ton of young talent and a bright, bright future.  With one trade we have essentialy just gone through the entire rebuilding process without even having to go through the seasons of poor play and missing the playoffs that most teams have to suffer through.  Good riddance Jason Kidd.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.  I can't wait to see Harris out there.


Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 21, 2008 1:15 am

Great post AvesNailsElisha. 

I don’t want to go much in the wife beating stuff because they were allegations.  I am also glad to see Kidd go.  Dallas may have forgotten, but Kidd was a growing cancer.  Having Kidd on the team, it seem as if we were bless by God himself for allow him to play for our team.  Kidd has openly spoke about how much he wanted to play for other teams.

He’s not as bad as Alonzo Morning, but Jason is no good.  Kidd turned his back on the organization that helped to resurrect his image after it was tarnished in Dallas and Phoenix.  The fake headaches and attempt to force the Nets hand and lower his trade value is low class.  This is why I didn’t understand why people wanted Kidd’s number retired after he retire.  He never seemed appreciative of playing for the Nets.  Don’t get me wrong, Kidd is a great player.  But his best days are well behind him. 

We are better off without Jason Kidd.  I thought that Jason Kidd was the only player with a child the way the Nets organization and the television personnel placated towards his son.  Jason Kidd is a diva. He can't play for Quinn Buckner so the Mavs fire the coach.  He couldn't play for Bryan Scott and Scott got fired.  He didn't like the Phoenix organization saying that he wasn't a got scorer, so he use a game when the Nets vs the Suns to display how you need not score to effective.  He doesn't get his way so he get a headache.      

I don’t hate Kidd or Love him.  I don’t care anymore.  We are moving on. Kidd has gone under the knife and had surgery on his knees.  His shelf life is coming to its end.  Thorn did a great job.   

We got a solid young point guard and draft picks.  We have cap space and some serviceable parts.  Our future looker Brighter without Kidd in the picture.  Now lets see how Lawence Frank is as coach.  He placated to Kidd.  He knew why the last coach got fired.  I think Frank is better than what he get credit for.  Without Kidd being so demanding, we can now see if he is really as good as I think he is.       


Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 21, 2008 12:28 pm
I couldn't agree more with you guys. The Nets actually played with life last night. Perfect example is when Richard Jefferson flew out of nowhere to block a 3 point attempt by Ben Gordon late in the game, when probably last week he would have just stared at him as he drains the open 3. Jason Kidd was a cancer to this team. Even Marc Jackson kept ripping on him all night, making fun of how he couldn't score and how he had a triple single last night. Everybody in this orgainization is so happy he is gone and we got great players and we haven't even got to see Devin Harris in a Net uniform yet. And I can only imagine who those 1st round picks are going to be, especially if this J Kidd trade causes the Mavs to stink and we turn out getting a lottery pick in the 2010 draft. Great trade, I love it and I actually enjoy watching the Nets again. Now all they have to do is fire Lawerence Frank and this team will be complete.

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 21, 2008 4:02 pm
I am in total agreement with you guys too.  We have something to look forward to now and some picks for the future to trade up with.  I think Rod Thorn deserves a lot of creadit for holding out for a GREAT deal.

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 24, 2008 4:58 pm

I am sorry. But Devin Harris can not yet be considered a Top 10 Point guard. Top 15? Maybe.

Here are Ten Point guards who are easily better than Harris:

Davis

Paul

Kidd

D.Williams

Calderon

Billups

Parker

Nash

Arenas

Felton

But Harris will be here i a few years. Unless he loses the job completely to Marcus Williams.


Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 24, 2008 5:32 pm
Well I don't know if I would consider Calderon better than him, but the only reason I said he was top ten is because they said it on NBA Fastbreak.  I know he is very good and I didn't really take the time to count who was better than him.

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February 25, 2008 2:24 pm
It's real tough to say if Harris is top 10 or 15 he really hasn't gotten the burn yet.  I know he can defend the dribble and thats a big upgrade for us right now.  Harris and Marcus Williams both have the ability to breakdown their defender and get to the rack.  It should be fun to watch them on the floor together.  If we add a couple knock down shooters we should be a tough out for years to come. 

Our biggest problem all year was we had to use too much help defense off the dribble with Kidd.  Then teams realized they could just let Kidd dribble all he wants because he isn't a good finisher.  They'd rather double team VC and RJ.  Kidd couldn't even hit the 3 with any consistency.  I could careless how many boards or assists he gets.  If you have to count on your guards to rebound you in trouble already.  And what good are assists if you guy comes right back down the court and gets the 2 points back anyway?  Now if Frank would just call me so I can set the rotation for him we'd be alright.  How long is Devin Harris going to be out anyway?

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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February 25, 2008 6:54 pm

I would only say Calderon cause he has high percentages and is a decent assists man.

But that's all right. Harris/Williams is a sick cobination because one is a bit better at Offense and one is a bit better at Defending.


Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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May 7, 2008 7:13 pm
i agree w/ most of yall
i'm a great mavs fan, but the trade was just dumb!
Devin Harris has much for life for the Mavs, just like Brandon Bass

so i repeat
BAD TRADE

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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May 8, 2008 3:58 am
I agree that the trade was much better for the Nets, we get the picks and Diop is one of the best defensive centers in the league.

However I disagree with some of you that Marcus Williams is a great point guard. Here some signs that he isn't as good as he's hyped up to be.

1) He was drafted at 21. He was the best point guard in the class, but everyone passed on him. He had weight issues coming into the draft, and a character issue, because he stole computers while in college.

2) The nets traded for Devin Harris. They planned on Williams to be Kidd's replacement, so why trade him for another point guard.

3) He was rumored in trades. He was almost shipped to the Pacers while the Nets had Kidd, which means that he wasn't going to be in their long term plans.

4) He's only averaged 16 minutes a game. He's been in the league for two years, you would think if he was a great point guard he would be on the floor more, especially since they didn't have a great back-up shooting guard on the bench.

5) He's averaged 1.6 turnovers a game in 16 minutes. Thats way too much

I've watched 90% of the Nets' games the last two seasons. Williams looks scared, and doesn't think in an efficient matter. He's not really fundamentally sound, and when he gets the ball he tries to do too much.

Harris in my opinion is a top 10 point point guard. When Harris was traded, Deron Williams was jumping for joy. He flat out said, "I'm glad he's gone." If someone goes on camera and says that, knowing he's going to be undermining Kidd, you know he meant it. His ability to score also makes him a great asset. If you watched the Nets while he was on the team, Harris single-handedly took over a game at points. I was at the game where they beat Utah, and I was sold. Boozer dominated us, but Harris wasn't phased and he took care of business on the offensive side. Oh and he held Deron Williams to only 11 points off 3-11 shooting. If you look at the box score Harris had a +10 +/- while Marcus Williams was -5.

Someone suggested Calderon was a top 10 point guard, and I have to disagree. Not because he doesn't have the skills, but next season while Ford is healthy, Calderon will be sitting on the bench a lot more than he was this season.

My view on the top point guards is this:

Paul
Parker
Nash
Deron Williams
Billups
Arenas
Wade
Baron Davis
Harris
Kidd

Like I said if Calderon wasn't hampered by Ford, I would say he is a top 10 point guard, and he would probably replace Kidd. Kidd is now a liability on offense because he is a horrible shooter. I also think he lost a lot of value because doesn't have 2 stud swing-men anymore. Howard is good, but he's not better than either Carter or Jefferson.

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May 8, 2008 7:51 pm
There's no way Harris is in the same class with all these guys on your lists I like the guy he's good but these are all stars.  I would put him with calderon ford Jameer Nelson guys like that.  Kidd is better than Harris but hopefully not for long.  I was so happy to see Kidd ousted from the playoffs by none other than Byron Scott haha karma's a ***** we should have kept byron he knew how to use the bench right and had us as perrenial contenders I say we fire Frank and move on with our young team and if possible get rid of Carter.

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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May 8, 2008 10:21 pm
YES YES YES !!!  FIRE FRANK and we will all be happy..

Good Riddance Jason Kidd
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May 10, 2008 9:10 pm
I'd love to have Scott back thats for sure.  As far as VC I got no problem with him coming back he manned up at the end of the year and was the best player on the team.  From everything I heard the minute Kidd left he was the leader.