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I disagree with Prisco that their primary need is QB, even if they decide that Beck isn't the long term answer (which also begs the question what the hell were they doing using a second rounder on him last year?). It's quite clear that Miami isn't going to be competitive at all this year and a good offensive line is the basis for any great team (Patriots, Chargers, Colts etc, or alternatively look at the decline of KC) so why not draft the sure-fire Pro Bowl prospect, Jake Long?
I don't even think Matt Ryan is the best QB prospect in this draft (Brohm put up better numbers and carried his team for three years - tell me if you had really heard of Ryan before last year). Even if you think he is, why sacrifice him to the NFL without an offensive line? John Beck could be a good QB but you wouldn't know it because he spent so much time looking for open receivers (there were none) and then on his back - why would Ryan be any different (he's no Vince Young)?
A far superior option is to build the team up over the next two years, putting a strong O-line and D-line in place, together with at least one decent receiver, so that a QB can slot right in and be one of the later pieces of the puzzle
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I agree with you. Parcells seems to like vetran QB's anyways. He is also pretty big on trading high draft picks. I could see him trade the high first for more later low first round high second picks, where he can pick up the hard working O line guys he uses and tweener D line guys for the 3-4. Then he will plug in some underrated guys that have played for him on other teams. That is the way he has built the last couple of teams he has coached.
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I agree with you 100%. I've been getting a lot of flack from being supportive of the suggestion that they should take Jake Long while he is available. When the best qb in the draft is what he is, (whoever he is) is he really special? I think not for this year's draft. However, I feel that Jake Long IS that special guy you can't pass up. That's my gut feeling anyway. Just ask Marino how important Richmond Webb was to his success. This guy is a beast and we can build around him. Somewhat lost in all the debate is how attractive playing behind a solid line is for the free agent qbs to be should they decide to develop Beck (who I still feel has a lot of value to the team if they can commit to him. I know... to be determined.) I'm still smarting over the Ginn instead of Brady Quinn drafting fiasco. Who knows, maybe they can lob offers to Cleveland and we can get him cheaper than by drafting him since they're all on the Derek Anderson bandwagon.
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Championship teams start with D-line and O-line then go from there. If either one of your lines suck, you could have John Elway as QB, but you'll still likely lose a boatload of games.
If the Dolphins were smart, They'd get Jake long and plug at least that spot on O-line for 10 years and go for a QB in the 3rd round or so - its actually a pretty deep draft for QB, and there should be plenty available. I do think Beck needs some more competition. Hopefully it drives him to be better
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This most definitely not a deep draft for QBs - it might have lots of big names such as Colt Brennan or Chad Henne late in the draft, but there is a reason teams don't think highly of these players, namely that they have significant flaws. Henne couldn't get his place back as a starter after the kid who just transferred to Arkansas took over, and Brennan threw far too many interceptions and is the definition of a system QB. There are guys like Josh Johnson from San Diego in every draft but are they worth a 6th round punt?
I don't think Miami should draft a QB at all this year. Let Beck be the starter for a while, the rest of the team will need to improve before any draft pick will help them at QB. And God knows Miami will be picking in the top 10 for at least another year (they are guaranteed at least 4 losses from the Bills and Pats alone) so why not wait until there are some real quality prospects available rather than burning a #1 pick on someone who won't be worth it without the rest of the team?
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. If Bill Parcells does not take Matt Ryan, then the red flag should go up on Ryan. Don't forget, it was Parcells who drafted Bledsoe over Mirer, badly wanted Peyton to come out early so the Jets could draft him, and has an excellent track record with his Jets and Cowboys picks. Does anyone really think that Beck has more potential than Ryan at this point?
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Miami already has a veteran QB in Josh McCown who at this stage is a better QB than Beck. Miami should draft Darren McFadden and draft an offensive lineman like a Gosder Cherilus or Sam Baker in the second round.
McFadden has been compared to Adrian Peterson and some are saying he is even better.
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Josh McCown? This even proves my above point about Ryan. Buyer beware (Falcons?) if Tuna passes.
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Wow you actually believe that Matt Ryan has the #1 draftability like a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? You must be smoking crack.
Yes he is accurate but there are other Qbs in the draft who are more accurate and can throw the ball further. Ex. Joe Flacco...in a recent tryout Flacco threw the ball as long or close to Tom Brady...almost 80 yds...and he is just as accurate. Matt Ryan can only throw the ball a little bit over 60 yards.
Do some research before you assume.
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Yo dude, please point out to me where I assumed that Ryan SHOULD BE #1. My whole point is that Parcells has the skins on the wall to evalutate talent. IF he takes a pass on Ryan, I would be very leery about taking Ryan with a high first round pick. That's how high of an opinion I have of Parcells. I never stated that Miami would be wise to take him. I have no idea about Ryan and I'm not assuming anything. Everyone seems to be rating this guy extremely high. Let's face it. McCown and Beck are not scaring any defenses anytime soon. And I realize that Miam has a lot more needs then QB.
I'll ignore the rest of the nonsense in your post and rack it up to you knowing your team has pretty much deficated the bed for quite some time. But not to worry. Parcells will not only right the ship (they will be Super Bowl contenders) , but when he eventually moves on, will leave the team with plenty of talent.
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"I'll ignore the rest of the nonsense in your post and rack it up to you knowing your team has pretty much deficated the bed for quite some time."
Okay point taken...But for you say that the rest of my post is nonsense is laughable.
Miami has several needs and one need that they can fulfill if they can't trade the #1 pick is drafting the best player available (Darren McFadden).
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If you look at the draft and the players. I see a good chance that Miami would be able to get some good players on Defense early in the draft. With some Offense players that might fall in there lap. With the possibility to get a Compensation pick in the end of the 3rd round and at the end of the 4th round in the draft this year. With all the players we lost in the last two years. So this years picks could look like this .....................................(1st round pick) DE Chris Long ....(2nd round pick) CB Aqib Talib..... (2-2nd round pick) CB Reggie Smith ..........(3rd round pick) OLB Shawn Crable ........(End of the 3rd round-Compensation pick) QB Andre Woodson or QB Josh Johnson ........(4th round pick) OT/OG Heath Benedict ........(End of the 4th round Compensation pick) RB Steve Slaton has drop in the draft, with his injury's last year, so Miami can not pass on him here...... (6th round pick) OG/DT Chris McDuffie, yah what a deal and can play both sides of the ball. Bill likes this idea when starting a new team, he will try him out in both position, if someone get's hurt you have your man to fill in.....(7th round pick) DT George Chukwu... Now there are some other moves after the draft that Bill can also do. I would like to see him pick up WR Chad Johnson, from Cinn. Also TE Shockey from the NYG and offer them both three years to play with Miami. Talking about a major overhall, this just might make Miami go to the playoff's! I know it is a dream, but with Bill it could happen. The POSSIBILITY are out there with C.J. and Shockey not happy with there teams and we have money and cap space. WE could drop OLB Joey Porter a year or two for Miami to save more money?
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First of all Miami HAS 2 great RBs why the hell do we need another one in Darren McFadden, now if Steve Slaton is available later on then I'd say that's a possibility, but with Brown and Williams coming back healthy I am not sure that they would take Staton. Does anyone remember how well Miami did with Williams and Brown sharing carries? I know I do and they both averaged 5+ yds per carry, that is phenominal. I believe they should look very closely at Vernon Gholston, he had a 42" vertical jump in his pro day and also ran a 4.5 40-yd dash, and with Miami's 3-4 defensive scheme he would fit very nicely on the defense, if Miami doesn't pick him I'd love to see them trade down for more picks, and as far as Miami taking Ginn over Quinn, I loved it. Quinn is and will be a bum in the NFL just you watch, he couldn't win the "big game" at Notre Dame. Ginn is a huge home run hitter, he has the chance to take it to the house whenever he has the ball. Anyways I guess that's all I have for now.
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(1st round pick): DE Chris Long, This way Miami can do an even trade. DE Jason Taylor for WR Chad Johnson. This will fill two holes for Miami, and this trade will help both teams.
(2nd round pick): CB Aqib Talib, he might drop to the top of the 2nd round with alot of CB ahead of him. This is just the start to help are deep pass game for Miami to bring the rushing game the Bill love to do. Bring the game to them.
(2nd-2nd round pick): CB Reggie Smith, might be here. This would give Miami a strong backfield for many years to come. This just the start of makeing Miami defense younger.
(3rd round pick): OLB Shawn Crable, one of the fastest who could be a sleeper for a team to pick up past the 2nd round. This will also give Miami some power over OLB Joey Porter who will have to go back to the table for some talks with Bill in a year or two.
( End of the 3rd round: Compensation pick): QB Andre Woodson or QB Josh Johnson, one of the two will drop QB's will drop to the 3rd round and is a good pick up here.
(4th round pick): OT/OG Heath Benedict, well we all know we need help on the O-line. He is a good player and played diff. positions in college so he will fit somewhere and help Miami and will try for the starting job. That is what Miami needs players who will go after the starting job.
(End of the 4th round: Compensation pick) RB Steve Slaton, he just might drop here with him being hurt most of last year. It is not really a need, but with his speed and hands out of the backfield Miami can not let him go.
(6th round pick): OG/DT Chris McDuffie, yah what a deal and can play both sides of the ball. Bill likes this idea when starting a new team, he will try him out in both position, if someone get's hurt you have your man to fill in
(7th round pick): DT George Chukwu, he is my sleeper this year at the DT position. He will help make Miami's team get younger and maybe start in a year or two
Now there are some other moves after the draft, with most likely there will be teams makeing cut's after the draft. I would like to see Bill pick up WR Chad Johnson, from Cinn. in that trade I talk about in the first pick in the draft. Also TE Shockey from the NYG and offer them both three years to play with Miami, no matter if we have to give up one of are draft picks in 2009 for him. With a OT that Miami can sign for a year or two. Talking about a major overhall, this just might make Miami go to the playoff's! I know it is a dream, but with Bill it could happen. The POSSIBILITY are out there with C.J. and Shockey not happy with there teams and we have money and cap space. WE could drop OLB Joey Porter a year or two for Miami to save more money?
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I can't believe the Beck bashing. He was a rookie last year on a crappy, one-dimensional team after the running backs went down. What was Beck supposed to do? Give the guy a chance. They got McCown as backup in case Beck's not ready but you can't pay McCown $3M per year, Beck's salary and then the 1st overall pick salary at the same position so they're not taking Ryan.
QB is not Miami's primary need anyway. Miami needs offensive linemen badly but this draft is very deep with linemen and Miami has two 2nd round picks so I think Miami's going to go with Chuck Long (even if Taylor's not traded he's going to retire soon), and then grab (in random order) a tackle, a guard, a middle linebacker and then a QB project in the next few rounds. It sounds like a deep CB draft too so they'll probably grab one of them too.
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I don't think Beck was ever the answer for Miami, BUT they used a second round pick on him just last year, so give the kid a chance! Plus, thats a team that was lucky to escape without a goose egg in the win column for the entire season, so I think they have more pressing issues than solidifying a position they have a maybe at.
Its looking more and more like trading the pick for anything reasonable is unlikely, so might as well use it. Thats why I agree that you start building a championship team with the O-line and take Long. That will open up holes for brown to run through and give beck some extra time to hit Ginn blazing down field.
BTW: Whoever said take McFadden... ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?! you have the 1st round pick from 4 years ago out of Auburn leading the league in yards from scrimmage until he got injured (first time, no history of injury before), and you want to use the #1 pick overall at RB? wow... that about sums up Miami's history of draft philosophies for the past half decade
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