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Why is everyone so down on our draft picks?
Why is everyone comparing what Allen can do to what Harvey can do? That is unfair.
Harvey just got drafted, and Allen has had some years to improve his game in the NFL, i wouldn't be busting balls until we see the Kids in action.
Like i say, it's not fair to the draft picks, they have to be given a chance to prove themselves.
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Honestly. I think people are so upset because everyone on the Jags board was talking about not giving up a lot of picks for a proven player and then all of the sudden the Jags do just the oppisite and take a guy who is a subpar DE if anything. I hope Harvey does turn out to be a good DE. But man those draft picks could have went to Peppers or someone who can make an impact on the team right now. Hopefully Gregg can use Groves and Harvey to their advantage.
Harvey is big and slow and Groves is small and fast.
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Harvey isn't subpar, he was atop alot of teams boards, Carolina would have gotten him most lickly, and it's who they wanted.
I don't care what his 40 time was, he had 20 something sacks in only 18 games, that says alot, especially in a tough SEC conference.
Harvey is an everydown DE, and Groves is a pass rush specialist, but will gain weight and be an every down De on the right side.
We have enough deep, this team is already too full of talent, so most of our draft pics wouldn't have made the team anyways.
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Harvey, slow? No way, man! You need to re-watch the UF-OSU title game, and you'll see that Harvey is far from slow. Anyone that can do to a fast, mobile QB like Troy Smith, what Harvey did is definetely not slow. 40 times are overrated, because I seriously doubt Peyton is going to be 40 yards heind the line of scrimmage when he comes out in the shotgun. Derrick Harvey is explosive off the line. Even Vernon Gholston said that he learned alot of his pass rushing techniches from watching tape on Harvey.
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In a lot of rankings, Harvey was the third rated DE in the draft. If you doubt his skills, please go back and look at Troy Smith's face in that championship game and then fast forward to see who was the defensive MVP of that game. And that was against an almost invincible team with one of the best o lines in the country.
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Harvey, slow? No way, man! You need to re-watch the UF-OSU title game, and you'll see that Harvey is far from slow. Anyone that can do to a fast, mobile QB like Troy Smith, what Harvey did is definetely not slow. 40 times are overrated, because I seriously doubt Peyton is going to be 40 yards heind the line of scrimmage when he comes out in the shotgun. Derrick Harvey is explosive off the line. Even Vernon Gholston said that he learned alot of his pass rushing techniches from watching tape on HarveyNaw Peyton won't be 40 yards behind the line of scrimmage but by the time Harvey gets there, the ball will be long gone by then. And whoever said this guy is not slow is high. And let me guess, these must be all gator fans hyping this guy up. All the clips iIsaw on this guy shows that he is powerful but slow.
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Im just annoyed with the fact that people are saying the jags are stupid for picking a potential pro-bowler DE that will make around $30 million over an old, alcholic one that is one strike away from gone and will make $70 million. It just doesnt make sense. Atleast we arent arguing about whether or not to trade for Jason Taylor though. Look at this though, assuming everyone on defense comes back completely healthy.
RDE-Harvey/Hayward
DT-Big John
DT-Meir/Landri/McDaniel
LDE-Spicer/Groves
SLB-Daryl Smith
MLB-Mike Peterson
WLB-Ingram/Durant
RCB-Brian Williams
FS- Reggie Nelson
SS-Gerald Sensabaugh (when healthy has played very well)
LCB-Mathis
Nickle corner-Florence
If everything pans out, this defense might kill somebody. Its just nasty.
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In a lot of rankings, Harvey was the third rated DE in the draft. If you doubt his skills, please go back and look at Troy Smith's face in that championship game and then fast forward to see who was the defensive MVP of that game. And that was against an almost invincible team with one of the best o lines in the countryThats saying alot being that most of the DE's sucked in this years draft anyway. After the top 7 the draft has just just ok guys. The deepest position of the draft is DB and they are a lot of 2nd and 3rd rounders.
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Im just annoyed with the fact that people are saying the jags are stupid for picking a potential pro-bowler DE that will make around $30 million over an old, alcholic one that is one strike away from gone and will make $70 million. It just doesnt make sense. Atleast we arent arguing about whether or not to trade for Jason Taylor though. Look at this though, assuming everyone on defense comes back completely healthy.
RDE-Harvey/Hayward
DT-Big John
DT-Meir/Landri/McDaniel
LDE-Spicer/Groves
SLB-Daryl Smith
MLB-Mike Peterson
WLB-Ingram/Durant
RCB-Brian Williams
FS- Reggie Nelson
SS-Gerald Sensabaugh (when healthy has played very well)
LCB-Mathis
Nickle corner-Florence
If everything pans out, this defense might kill somebody. Its just nastyDude we have a couple of drunks the team ourselves. So please stop bringing up the drunk crap. I am not a Allen fan but please stop throwing stones when you stay in a glass house. Maybe it was good that we didn't get Allen becuase of his problems. I am glad we didn't give anything up for Taylor because no one knows whay he's going to do after the 08 season.
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If everything pans out, this defense might kill somebody. Its just nasty.
LMMFAO, this was too funny, maybe true, classic phrase asharp. NICE.
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All the clips iIsaw on this guy shows that he is powerful but slow. I am a Gators fan, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I'm not overhyping him. Since I am a fan, I haven't just watched clips, I've watched every down that he has played at UF, and he is not slow. He is a pure, edge rusher with good speed. Him and Groves will be the quickest DEs Jax has ever had.
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I am a Gators fan, so maybe I'm a little biased, but I'm not overhyping him. Since I am a fan, I haven't just watched clips, I've watched every down that he has played at UF, and he is not slow. He is a pure, edge rusher with good speed. Him and Groves will be the quickest DEs Jax has ever hadI hope you're right.
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You must have been watching clips that was in slow motion.
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Look Jagmania....Allen had ONE good year....and Peppers had a very bad year for the Panthers this past year....I would rather have two rookies with potential than two veterans that could be 1. a glug-glug-vroom-vroom session away from a year suspension, or 2. a one time great who may have only had a couple good years in him. either would have been a chance and most of those last round picks wouldn't have made the team anyhow (considering our depth)...remember that safety we drafted last year that didn't even make the final 53 or the practice squad? Taylor, Peppers, or Allen would have been chancey.....at least with these two....you could possibly get 2 speed defense end starters....for the same thing you would have given up for ONE Veteran....whose best days MAY be behind them.
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Yeah I definetely hope I'm not wrong. Considering how everybody thought DE to be the missing piece in Jacksonville, there is one thing to worry about still. That is, how often does a rookie DE step up and have a 10-15 sack season? I was hoping for us to be able to move up and get Harvey, but I was still hoping for the Jason Taylor thing to go through for that very reason, because we are ready for a super bowl run now, and who knows if we still will be in a year or two when our DEs are developed? I sure hope these guys can make an immediate impact.
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