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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08


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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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Since:Aug 2, 2007

May 15, 2008 4:58 pm
Oh my God I just figured it out. I would never vote for Hillary but I always thought their was something familiar about her. I was looking at Bigdawgs avitar and Hillary and UGA look enough alike to be related! No wonder I couldn't hate her! UGA has a better nose but Hillary has the jowls by a mile. Where else can you get this kind of information.


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Since:Nov 21, 2006

May 15, 2008 5:08 pm
Oh my God I just figured it out. I would never vote for Hillary but I always thought their was something familiar about her. I was looking at Bigdawgs avitar and Hillary and UGA look enough alike to be related! No wonder I couldn't hate her! UGA has a better nose but Hillary has the jowls by a mile. Where else can you get this kind of information.

Oh no twodawgs.....please do not insult that magnificent Canine King.  America's Mascot is so handsome he should not be compared to any politician.


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Since:Sep 9, 2006

May 15, 2008 5:41 pm

DONT TELL ME!!! A plot to put the SEC down started by none other than one of those BIGFlop10 schools?  Could it be Ohio St?  NOOOOOOOOOO... Get out of heeeaaaaaaa....  

This Crap is getting old.  You lost and there will be no victoy in what ever you try.  You either win or you lose, no ties. You lost!


I think the real plot was your attempt to photo-shop yourself next to Shania in your avatar.  It doesn't even look remotely real!

The crap that is getting old is your lame excuse of a post.  Read the thread before you comment, douche canoe.


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Since:Jan 9, 2007

May 15, 2008 5:50 pm
Maybe I am missing something here...

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

He had the SEC #1 Conf, followed by Pac 10

He had LSU #1, Va Tech #9.

Help me out brudda. I am not saying he is perfect, but I am looking for other sites with strength of conference considered and not just opponents winning %. Got a better site?

Your 2007 example... is this the same time that the voters had Va Tech over LSU as well? Confused my friend. A number of the computer guys had Va Tech over LSU in week 7 BCS rankings including the human polls.

In your 2000 example... wasn't SOS considered heavily? Also, wasn't FSU 11-1 and Miami 10-1?? FSU had a "higher" SOS. I don't know. Because that is what happened to Oregon the next year and USC in 2003 even though there was not head to head. And we all know about the fiasco of 2003.

2003 -- I went through the BCS archives and saw that while Sagarin had USC 4 and Miami of Ohio #3... Anderson, Massey and Wolfe also had them at 4-6. That is pretty crazy to me. Although as a Trojan I should be pissed because that cost us the BCS NC seed probably. But I see plenty of discrepancies with other computer guys as well. My point is once again... do you have a better site for SOS? That is all I was using it for. Once again... I don't have a problem with LSU being there, OU never.

Isn't 2006 kind of like 2007 with Georgia and LSU? Also, OSU and Michigan were #1 and #2 going into the match up. But the BCS got it right putting in Florida. Not saying that I agree, but not saying that it is that far fetched. I think it is more far fetched to have two teams from the same conference winding up #1 and #2 after all is said and done and not ever playing each other... wait it happended ;-) LOL

So hook me up with your best SOS site. Sagarin is not my football god, I just think he lays out a decent ranking of conference and SOS. He has the SEC first ;-)

Peace


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May 15, 2008 5:52 pm
BD ... ALL politicians are DOGS. UGA just carries it better. I will go with UGA as America's Mascot, but you never know with the green movement, the Stanford tree is catching up. Hope UGA pees on it.

Peace.


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May 15, 2008 7:19 pm

rcooke,

I don't have a best SOS site.  They all vary tremendously.  I would rather use the pollsters than any site that I have seen so far.  But frankly it is not something I have particularly worried about. 

Sagarin has LSU ranked 1st AFTER they won the National Championship and Va. Tech lost their bowl game.  BEFORE the bowl games when records were IDENTICAL and LSU had won 48-7 he had Va. Tech #1.  Lordy, I would hope that even Jeff Sagarin would have changed after the BCS games.  All human polls had LSU ahead in last regular season poll.

In 2000 Miami and FSU each had one loss.  FSU had an extra game because they got selected for the Kickoff Classic Game to start the season.  Both teams had scheduled their normal 11 games.  Each lost a game.  Miami lost at Washington and FSU lost to MIAMI.  All human polls had Miam ranked ahead in the last regular season poll.  Washington had a better argument than FSU.

You said it all for 2003.  I have not said the other computer selections were great either. I have not gone back and looked at their history, but in general they have been off the mark.  Miami of Ohio.....better than USC in 2003.  You would have to be smoking some real strong stuff to buy that.  And the humans again, did not.

On 2006, you make my point for me.  Yes the BCS corrected the Florida error because after the fiasco of 2003 computers no longer carry the weight they once did.  The humans again had it right by putting Florida into the game instead of us getting a rematch.  But had we been under the old system, it might have gone to Michigan.  I would defer on that to a BCS guru. 

As for 2007,  and why LSU and UGA wound up #1 and #2.  I guess LSU is obvious.  UGA probably because they won their last 7 games against 6 bowl teams and all wins were by double digits.  Nobody else was hotter during this period.  But to get the clear answer you probably need to ask the 60 or so pollsters.

Look at the BCS era.   In 98 the BCS loser fell to #3; in 00, the BCS loser fell to #5; in 01 the BCS loser fell to #8; in 03 USC won and LSU and OU swapped positions in the AP; in 04 the BCS loser fell to #3; in 07 the BCS loser fell to #5.  It generally varies by how bad the loser lost by and how closely bunched other teams were, but it is hardly unusual for the loser to drop.  Every team that was ranked ahead of UGA in the final rankings, less LSU lost.  OU got trampled.  Va. Tech lost to KU.  Georgia was ranked ahead of USC in one poll and behind them in the other. 

LSU and UGA may have set a precedence of ranking that high and not playing, but it is hardly new to see teams from the same conference ranked in the Top Ten even though they did not play each other.

2002   Ohio State#1 and Iowa #7.  Had the Hawkeyes won their game they would have been at least #4...behind OSU, Miami and Georgia.

2006  Ohio State #2 and Wisconsin #7.  Had a whole bunch of teams with the same or better record lost their bowl games in front of them, they too would have been higher. 

2007  Mizzou #4 did not play #10 Texas; Kansas #7 did not play #8 OU or #10 Texas

Twelve team conferences are going to have times when highly ranked teams do not play each other if they don't happen to be in the Conference Championship Game.  That is life in a conference that has 12 teams....no solution except to kick out someone.  By the way it is also the way it happened twice recently in an 11 team conference.

Finally check out 2000.  Your PAC 10 had 3 teams ranked in the Top 7.  Washington #3, Oregon State #4 and Oregon #7.  They were all 7-1 in conference play.  The PAC 10 selected Washington to go to the Rose Bowl.  How is that different that Georgia, Florida and Tennessee finishing in a tie in 2003 for the SEC East.  Both issues were resolved according to the rules of the respective conferences.  One difference.  The three PAC 10 teams were Tri-Champs because they beat each other.  LSU won the SEC and Georgia was the runner-up.

So whatever.