Tiki # 21 forever or Kenny Phillips the new # 21

2 Walter Payton 16,726

3 Barry Sanders 15,269

4 Curtis Martin 14,101

5 Jerome Bettis 13,653

6 Eric Dickerson 13,259

7 Tony Dorsett 12,739

8 Jim Brown 12,312

9 Marcus Allen 12,243

10 Marshall Faulk 12,162

11 Franco Harris 12,120

12 Thurman Thomas 12,074

13 Edgerrin James 11,617

14 John Riggins 11,352

15 Corey Dillon 11,238

16 O.J. Simpson 11,236

17 Fred Taylor 10,715

18 Ricky Watters 10,643

19 LaDainian Tomlinson 10,543

20 Tiki Barber 10,449

21 Eddie George 10,441

22 Ottis Anderson 10,273

23 Warrick Dunn 10,179

24 Joe Perry 9,723

25 Earl Campbell 9,407

Well, let's look at it this way...

Of all of the greatest Giants of the last 30 years, only Simms and Taylor's numbers have been retired. We could argue a case to retire Carson's, but who else has earned the right for a team that hasn't retired many numbers? Strahan's will be retired, there's no question of that, but I can't think of anyone else that can be given that right. Don't get me wrong, there's a few I would like to see retired. Tiki Barber put up great numbers, and did great things, and might even have a shot at the HOF(though I don't see it happening myself), but I don't see him getting #21 retired. It's time for Phillips to take the number over, and for us to move on.

Did we have someone named Tiki??

There I'm over it and congrats to the new #21.  Hopefully with a better attitude.

Have no problem with Phillips getting #21..partly because he is doing it somewhat to honor Sean Taylor. Also...I would say it was a huge slap in the face to Tiki, EXCEPT he left us sort of high and dry by retiring early (or at least so we thought ;), turns out he was divisive in the clubhouse and undermined Tom Coughlin, and then still couldnt keep his mouth shut after he left. So as far as Im concerned...he lost all entitlement to the number if you add all that up.

And just to further Billysmalls post, the Oneill thing infuriated me.  (For full disclosure..he was my favorite player) but heres a guy who, if you wanted to,  you can pinpoint the Yankees revival with his arrival and their decline with his departure.  Gave everything he had on the field and was an ultimate team player.  And then to give his number away is fine, if youre not going to retire it..but..Latroy Hawkins???  Cmon..you want to give it to some amazing prospect ala Joba...or some free agent who has worn it or deserves it...fine..but Im glad everyone saw the light and had it changed.

(sorry..know this is a Giants message board..thats the last youll hear from me about that)

I did not want to bring it up either since that has been resolved

but i thought it was ironic that it was the same #21

I do agree with your points considering how Tiki has acted, but I think it is too soon

B/C he wants to act like a child does not mean a classy organization like the Giants has to stoop to his level!