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rcooke, "USC additionally, split a championship with LSU in 2003. USC won the AP vote 48-17."
Looked at another way, it was:
1. USC (48) 12-1 1,608
2. LSU (17) 13-1 1,576
3. Oklahoma 12-2 1,476
4. Ohio State 11-2 1,411
5. Miami 11-2 1,329
6. Michigan 10-3 1,281
Stare at those numbers, rcooke. Let them talk to you. Know what they say? If USC got 48 1st place votes to LSU's "measly" 17, but only beat LSU by 32 points out of 3184 total points between them, that means EVERYBODY had LSU #1 or #2 and SOME people had USC lower than #2. The points total is more indicative of the almost deadheat you had in the AP than that 48-17 figure you keep trumpeting.
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rcooke, "USC additionally, split a championship with LSU in 2003. USC won the AP vote 48-17."
Looked at another way, it was:
1. USC (48) 12-1 1,608
2. LSU (17) 13-1 1,576
3. Oklahoma 12-2 1,476
4. Ohio State 11-2 1,411
5. Miami 11-2 1,329
6. Michigan 10-3 1,281
Stare at those numbers, rcooke. Let them talk to you. Know what they say? If USC got 48 1st place votes to LSU's "measly" 17, but only beat LSU by 32 points out of 3184 total points between them, that means EVERYBODY had LSU #1 or #2 and SOME people had USC lower than #2. The points total is more indicative of the almost deadheat you had in the AP than that 48-17 figure you keep trumpeting.
As usual ,cajuninca is doing his I hate USC rant , without knowing what he is talking about . There was no " almost dead heat ". It is apparent you either can't add , or can't multiply , or both . Let me show you the math . A first place vote is worth 25 points , a second place vote is worth 24 points , a third place vote is worth 23 points etc .
USC votes : 48 1st and 17 2nd - 48x25=1200 17x24=408 1200+408=1608 .
LSU votes : 17 1st , 47 2nd , and 1 3rd - 17x25=425 47x24=1128 1x23=23 425+1128+23=1576 .
So , let's recap . USC had all 1st and 2nd place votes , and 31 more 1st place votes than LSU . LSU had one 3rd place vote .
How is this an almost deadheat ? 74% of the voters picked USC 1st , and the others had them 2nd . LSU had only 26% of the 1st place votes , and one voter had them 3rd .
Hey , cajuninca . That USC haterade you keep drinking is killing brain cells . Why don't you give it a rest ?
Be happy with a split championship . I know I am .
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It is clear the time zone difference is at play here. rcooke, have at it. I am exhausted trying to get through to you.
I said that Michigan and USC had a better tradition that LSU. I believe, and I am not going to go back and check, but I believe just about every LSU fan on here including Cajuninca agreed with this. But for some reason, you believe that football tradition stops with the 5th or 6th all time best teams. I am sure your line would be drawn immediately after USC.
I have no problem with comparing scores if there is no other means such as a head to head. I have never said that USC in 2003 might not have been LSU's better. I have pointed out that numerous times that you select the scores you want to use. I pointed out the two scores against Auburn and Arizona because you incessantly point out the scores against Arkansas and Arizona. When a team routs another it is difficult to garner anything. But when someone counterpoints the score stuff, you don't like it.
In 2006 Auburn walloped Washington State and USC had all sorts of problems; Tennessee obliterated Cal, leading 35-0 in the third quarter before pulling the starters and LSU pounded Arizona, leading 40-0 before the Cats scored a field goal with a minute left. USC led same team 10-3 in the second half. Does that somehow mean that all of these teams were better than the Trojans in 2006? Doesn't the Arkansas score which you are never hesitate to bring up conflict with this? Wow....its called college football. Amazing stuff.
Don't you think the AP voters in 2003 knew that OU did not win their conference? Or were they so focused on USC and the glory of Troy that they ignored everything else. Once again, the same voters who thought USC was the best team in the country thought that OU was the third best and that a 3 loss Michigan team was only #6. If you think that there are not 2d and 3d place teams in some conferences better than the champs of others, then I guess you choose to ignore 2000 when Washington, Oregon and Oregon State all were ranked higher (and deservedly so) than SEC Champ. Oh my, what do we have here... a three way tie for a conference championship. rcooke, please tell me it ain't so.
Whatever, have fun. Bottom line, you believe what you want but there are other teams in the country that have traditon other than those that rank 1-5.....
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Stare at those numbers, rcooke. Let them talk to you. Know what they say? If USC got 48 1st place votes to LSU's "measly" 17, but only beat LSU by 32 points out of 3184 total points between them, that means EVERYBODY had LSU #1 or #2 and SOME people had USC lower than #2. The points total is more indicative of the almost deadheat you had in the AP than that 48-17 figure you keep trumpeting.
cajun, you might want to understand how voting points work before you continue to embarrass yourself. It looks like 4SoCal explained it pretty good to you. I hope you learned something.
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and the winner of that is just as much a champion as that windbag set of Giants who "had to win 3 road playoff games and then beat the 18-0 Pats" but couldn't punch their way out of TWO Dallas Cowboy paper bags during the season, but oh oh oh oh, those losses don't mean anything. Neither the regular season loss to Green Bay and New England. Wow, those games meant something, didn't they? This is the perfect method of choosing a champion that you present as evidence for the Opinion Jury ... LMAO ...
The Giants losses to Dallas in the regular season meant they were a wild card and had to play every playoff game on the road. If you don't think that means something, then share with us why only 5 teams out of 42 Super Bowl champs have been wild card teams. Is your saying the Giants losses didn't mean anything any different from someone saying LSU's losses to Arkansas and Kentucky didn't mean anything? The Giants won 3 road playoff games and then beat the Pats on a neutral field in the Super Bowl; LSU won 0 playoff games and beat OSU on a neutral field in the BCS title game. Sorry you are not intelligent enough to see the difference.
I look forward to your reply, not to this post, but to 4SoCal's post that showed that you didn't know how the top 25 voting points worked. The only people that are "LMAO" are the ones laughing at you, cajun. 
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