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Since:Dec 25, 2007

June 10, 2008 5:44 pm
NOTE: This thread is only for people who do not believe in a deity.

Newton (I think it was him) said that everything had to come from something. If an intelligent being did not exist, where did everything come from? Where did the Big Bang come from? And if you can answer that, how did life begin if there was no creator? I read in a scientific article that with no intelligent designer, there was a 1 in over 15 billion chance of the right chemicals coming together to form a living organism.

Can anyone explain this?

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June 10, 2008 10:04 pm
Sorry, I believe in a deity.  I just thought I should say that belief in "science" explanations for the origin of anything require just as much faith as belief in "religious" explanations.

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June 10, 2008 10:10 pm
hey colts, no disrespect but explaining a mystery with another mystery does not mean its right.    Ancient civilizations explained their mysteries with mysterious beings to suppress their feeble minds. Kind of reminds me of some cretin pointing to the sky for a positive endeavor.. Didnt see guys like Scott Norwood or Bill Buckner thank the lord when they "had their famous moments"    No, hippocrates are abundant in our society and the fact that a purely spiritual and private activity such as deity worship can be tainted by all of you phonies  is a step back ton he evolutionary ladder.  Use your religion as a guide to YOUR life, dont spread your gospel to others who are frankly sick of it. If you cant figure out that stealing and killing are bad then read your commandements again.   Sorry but i for one am holy rolled out

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June 10, 2008 11:57 pm

I think what many people misunderstand is that true science makes no attempt to either confirm or deny the existence of an intelligent designer, nor should it.

Look up “scientific method” in the dictionary. Science is about the study of natural phenomena, not the supernatural. Science passes no judgment about a supernatural being one way or another, but some people take that lack of acknowledgment as a threat to their faith and so they have to try to push to insert their belief in the almighty into something in which it does not belong.

Galileo was imprisoned by the Catholic Church for publishing a book that put forth the idea of a heliocentric solar system, because the church thought the idea that the earth was not at the center would cause people to lose their belief in a deity. Did it?

Science says that the sun is at the center of the solar system because that it what we observe. Perhaps an intelligent designer, though, actually did put the earth at the center of the universe so that it does not move at all, just like the Bible says , and the designer is just fooling scientists and their instruments into believing otherwise. Should that theory be taught as part of an astronomy curriculum?

If a person is actually confident in their faith, I think they should find science to be an affirmation of that faith, not a threat or contradiction of it. I personally find a God who created a perpetual machine of life called evolution and simply set that in motion much more miraculous than a designer who has to keep tinkering with His creations.

Evolution is as much of a scientific fact as the earth going around the sun, and the people who attempt to deny or distort that are as misguided as the jailers of Galileo. If anyone feels that science is a threat to their religion, then maybe they should examine why their faith is so weak and lacking rather than attacking science and those who defend it.


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June 11, 2008 12:44 am
    LPrezdente, I agree with you right up to the last paragraph.  You are absolutely right about science and seeing it as an affirmation of ones faith.  I cannot remember the exact quote but a pastor once said to me that man knows no limits in what he can accomplish.  I believe that we are learning more about the universe around us every day and that is only a good thing. 
    Where I may disagree with you is in regards to evolution.  There are many holes in the greater scheme of the evolutionary theory so it cannot be referred to as irrefutable fact.  It is a logic of our observations and to assume we have observed enough to claim it as complete fact is pretentious.  I believe in elements of evolution regarding adaptation, natural selection, and random selection.  Darwin's famous finch study is an excellent example.  With these finches having different food sources it is natural that the ones more adept at obtaining their source would survive better and breed more.  This results in a population that is specialized.  But, to assume that people evolved from monkeys is a stretch.  I don't know what you believe personally or what you really meant by your last statement, but I feel I had to contend it.

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June 11, 2008 10:09 am
Not trying to explain anything, just posing a question.

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Since:Oct 23, 2006

June 11, 2008 12:00 pm
Except that evolution does not say we evolved from monkeys (and apes), only that we have a common ancestor. We are different branches on the same tree of life. Maybe if more people we actually educated about evolution they would understand that.