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Reputation:99
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Since:Feb 28, 2007

July 3, 2008 12:55 pm
Your argument is 6 rocks, my argument is 104. My guess is this is all completely lost on you because you refuse to open your mind on this issue and think only you are right. Only you and your ONE theory could possibly be right. Meanwhile I'll use the research I have done and then frankly apply common sense to what i've learned. My argument is that we should stop arguing about how many rocks are there and hit the effin break before we die.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Don't answer that.  I know you didn't.

You put out a huge, unreadable brain fart telling me what I think? And spent zero time on actually reading what I think? 

Who the hell you think you are telling me what I think?

You can't see what is in front of you.  You refuse to take a look at it.  You turn your head away and spew forth an attack on what you think it is.  Whether that is my posts, or anything you have a position on already.  You don't need to know what it is - you just know it is wrong.

The EPA position..must be so they can get funding
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 24, 2007

July 3, 2008 1:00 pm
So says you, others (besides myself) disagree. I guess we should just all bow to the omnipotent Badger though
LOL!  I'm not the one using a shaky argument based on limited knowledge to justify my weak position (that would be you).  I'm showing actual data and actual interpretation of that data (from an unbiased source) so that other people can decide for themselves. 

Importantly, I'm refuting the closed-minded, ignorant position that "us puny little humans couldn't possibly contribute to anything that happens on this great big 'ol Earth."  There is no debate that we have contributed greenhouse gases to the atmosphere (and by "not insignificant", I mean that it's measurable and beyond statistical fluctuation).  None.  Only closed-minded people with little understanding of the science would even TRY to argue anything else.

I'm not posting anything but published data and the context in which the data is understood.   It's YOU who are transferring your arrogant God complex on someone who disagrees with you and happens to have blown your pathetic argument to dust.

The EPA position..must be so they can get funding
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 10, 2006

July 3, 2008 1:07 pm
A perfect example of someone who knows nothing about science.   Better stick to accounting or whatever it is you do, kaara.

Every scientific experiment that involves quantification has uncertainty.  THAT IS  A FACT.  Our understanding of gravity is based on theory.  Yes, we know that if you drop something, it'll fall to the Earth.  That's a fact.  But it's the THEORY of gravity that allows us to land a probe on Mars.  All the calculations are uncertain.  They are known with "VIRTUAL CERTAINTY" but there is still uncertainty involved.  Does that mean that we didn't actually land a probe on Mars because our calculations weren't 100% certain?  Obviously not.  Quit trying to present your ignorance of science as understanding.

Let me guess.  You also question evolution because it's "only a theory", too, and consider ID to be a theory with equal credibility in the scientific community.  I suppose you also question the computer chip in your processor because quantum theory guided it's development, as well.  If you don't understand something, kaara, it's o.k. to admit it.

Actually my degree is that of science. I know all about proving of theories etc..... The only one proving ignorance is yourself. I have only shown that I am willing to see all sides, I am willing to accept that all theories are POSSIBLE and willing to give them all the due credit they deserve. I have seen the research and have found the one that I FAVOR. Could the one(s) I favor be wrong, sure . It is not me though that is having the comprehension problem here thoug, it's you. You seem o think only one theiry is possible. Your presenting theory as an absolute, and I have not done that. It's you who are presenting so called "facts"  and thinking they are applicable to everything being discussed. You talked in one of your cut and past jobs about measuring of greenhouse gases and that those measurements go back thousands of years and you present them as being the end all of "proof". My problem is the earth has been around MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of years. Even measurements that go back 100,000 years are insufficient to be even remotely accurate. I'll state it again, and I'll talk slowly so you can understand, climate change is real, I don't know anyone with half a brain who disagrees with that, but you trying to claim yours is the ONLY possible working theory is as arrogant and ignorant as those who think climate change doesn't exist at all. In the big scheme I believe that things aren't as simple and clear cut as ANYONE would like to make them. I don't believe any ONE factor creates any given outcome.

Let's just say for a moment that we are contributing to greenhouse gases in significant amounts and that these amounts are in turn contributing to climate change. IF, and I say if, that is true it is still only a contributing factor. It is not the only factor. Solar flares, ocean currents, tectonic plate shifts, and a billion other contributing factors must exist for any given outcome. Again assuming you are right, how do we KNOW these emissions aren't actually creating a BETTER outcome than had we gone the other way, we don't. There are so many variables to comprehend it's almost incmprehensible. So feel free to continue your short sighted view, mine is a much larger picture, if you can;t see the picture, that's fine but please don't belittle those who can. Your viewpoint is one of MANY, I see them all, I favor the ones i favor based on scientific evidence, you are free to do the same. Or in the words of the great Eddie Vedder "I guess there's nothing wrong with what you say, but don't sell me there can't be a better way"

 


The EPA position..must be so they can get funding
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 10, 2006

July 3, 2008 1:10 pm
There is no dispute whatsoever about whether or not we contribute significant amounts of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere

Yes there is. I provided you scientific evidence that there is dispute over this exact thing. it is you who are ignoring evidence that is differeing from your own viewpoint.

I'm only presenting the information that you, in your infinite arrogance, are completely unwilling to accept

I didn;t say I am unwilling to accept it, I am saying I think there is competing evidence. BOTH could turn out to be wrong. I'm the only one here admitting that.

Kaara...of all people to say "quit thinking you are so right and everyone else is wrong", hearing it from you makes me laugh the hardest.

See my statement directly above

Al Gore, paging Al Gore
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Reputation:98
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Since:Aug 10, 2006

July 3, 2008 1:13 pm
My argument is that we should stop arguing about how many rocks are there and hit the effin break before we die.  Did you read anything I wrote?  Don't answer that.  I know you didn't.

You put out a huge, unreadable brain fart telling me what I think? And spent zero time on actually reading what I think? 

Who the hell you think you are telling me what I think?

You can't see what is in front of you.  You refuse to take a look at it.  You turn your head away and spew forth an attack on what you think it is.  Whether that is my posts, or anything you have a position on already.  You don't need to know what it is - you just know it is wrong
You rpove once again you've read nothing I've posted. I have read every word you posted. You can't handle an intelligent debate, this post proves that. I attacked nothing and no one, but I'll let you tell it.....

The EPA position..must be so they can get funding
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