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Two team race in the AFC North
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Two team race in the AFC North
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And so we see the difference between a Steelers fan and a Browns fan. The Browns fans are excited about their 10-6 season, despite missing the playoffs... again, and losing to the Steelers... twice... again.
You also really have no reason to expect DA to "light it up" again. He was showing his true colors by the end of the season.
And Jamal is back? Well... except against a less than stellar Steelers D where he managed a meager 70 yards on 27 carries.
Meanwhile, the Browns fan calls the Steelers a "surprise"... while the Steelers fan calls the Steelers a "disappointment." While they owned the north last season, they struggled elsewhere, losing in a big way to New England, and getting dumped by Jacksonville twice. All in all, their season left a lot to be desired.
But I guess if you were a Browns fan and had to watch that sad excuse for an NFL team year after year, you should be excited about a 10-6 season. There's just no justification for thinking they were anything more than a one-hit wonder. The facts speak for themselves: DA was faltering by the end of the year, Jamal STILL couldn't run on a mediocre Steelers D, the Browns D was atrocious, and they STILL couldn't take the North from the Steelers.... even when the Steelers were down.
Its great to be a Steelers fan, when we have REAL justification for thinking we're going to be competitive every year. While I think the Steelers have work to do to be competitive league wide, I'm more than confident they can dispatch the Browns yet again.
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Wow... Steeler fans are sure cocky... when they went 10-6 and got beat by a Jags team in the playoffs... first off so what if the Browns game was kept close by a special teams player? The Browns made big moves in the off season the Steelers did not... the Browns look united Steelers have Ben whining about not having a big tall wide out... and Ward snapping back at him (they better win early and often) Ravens were injured they will be back... Bengals... that is funny... Chad if he doesn't play in the AFL or tear that team apart they will be fighting for 3rd with the Steelers... sorry a team that gives up 47 sacks and gives up one of their only good offensive lineman good move. Really... I don't care what kind of Year Ben had... he can't pass if he is on his back he can't have play action if they can't run... and he can't pass if they crack his skull... seriously they need more then just "drafting" one OL... jeez they were horrible last year. And aren't getting better. I think Ravens will be improved just being healthy... but Browns with all the moves they made will be favorites... outside point of view...
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Two team race in the AFC North
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You must really not have the ability to read, Schmalzel. I already said that, 1.) the Steelers were disappointing last season, AFTER going 10-6, and AFTER losing to the Jags not once, but twice. Where does "cocky" come in?
2.) Big Ben got the crap beat out of him... and still blew the doors off of DA. Anybody who thinks DA is anywhere close to Big Ben... must be a delusional Browns fan.
3.) I admitted the Steelers had big holes to fill. They're still better than the Browns, who are relying on a one-hit wonder QB and a has-been RB.
4.) The point about the Browns keeping a game close by special teams is that generally you can't live or die by whether or not your return guy is going to have a good game. The rest of the team sucked that day... if Cribbs had a bad day, then it would've been yet another blowout.
5.) Steelers fans can afford to be cocky about the Browns being unable to beat them. I don't see the Browns disproving that notion anytime soon. And besides, what if they do pull a rabbit out of their hat, and actually beat the Steelers once next year? What will that be? 1 out of the last 22 or something like that?
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Two team race in the AFC North
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What does it say about the Browns "star" QB when:
He only got sacked 14 times to Big Ben's 47.... and
Big Ben still had:
more TDs (32-29)
less INTs (11-19) (regular season-Ben had more in the postseason)
and a much higher passer rating (104.1-82.5)?
It tells me that I hope the Browns keep counting on DA because he'll continue faltering. Ben is unlikely to have quite the same type of season as last year, but he did quite well without much of an OL. I will say they do need to improve it before he starts racking up concussions.
Besides, the Steelers actually have experience as a winner. The Browns are still searching. :-)
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Well wasn't just talking bout you... but Steelers have more work then the Browns or the Ravens... heck they didn't improve their defense... (not much improvement) but with that offensive line and locker room crud yeah I think they could have IMPROVED somewhere... I'm not saying the Browns should be "thrilled" to lose by 3... but the Steelers shouldn't be so overconfident when the Browns sured up a lot of their holes and the Steelers did not... both teams went 10-6 one team got vastly improved one team actually declined guess which is which? Yes Troy is back... but letting Ben get lit up will not help them... if they don't sure up their offensive line at all they are in trouble so much that it doesn't matter what their defense does. I know the Steelers have some amazing history but we are talking about who might be better now this year. And it looks likes the Browns....
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Two team race in the AFC North
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shmalzel first off i dont think anyone cares what u have to say how did we decline so much??? so u think faneca huh ok well if u watched every game for the last 2 years or so u would see that faneca was actually pretty bad in pass protection and guess what that was our one weakness so if thats ur reasoning i think ur wrong and i dont even understand what your trying to say about the defense but we now have a health troy and a healthy Aaron Smith who is probably one of the best 3-4 ends in the nfl he just doesnt get the publicity. we added a new center and we will add atleast one or two offensive line men come april.......and locker room crud??? do u have any idea what u are talking about the media blew that up so much hines and ben were laughing about it please go back to the Giants board where someone cares and u might have a clue as to whats going on..............thanks i really value a giants fan thoughts on the afc north since im sure you follow it like all us thanks for the info
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Actually Faneca is one of the best run blocking Guards in the league... pass blocking can be better everyone knows that... he was over paid.... point is their strength lies in the RUN. I know Ben had some monster year and all. Willie Parker would have led the league in rushing but he was grinding out every yard (4.0) per carry... take out Faneca... and that will drop the play action won't work as well and pass rushers will just PASS RUSH. Meaning more sacks not enough time to pass no more play actions just short drop back passes and "if" he has enough time to throw the ball and all that its like a chess game... back and forth so on and so forth... he will be getting hit though... they won't sure up just in the draft and Hartwig are you talking about? He played Guard for the Titans and now is your Center and was injured or something? Well I think that offensive line needs more help then Hartwig and a rookie... 1st rounder or some other deep in the draft... and yes on the decline. And this isn't the Steelers team page not talking junk... you can go on the NFC East page and say who will win it people have... I just think the Steelers didn't sure up holes... don't get angry at someones opinions jeez. And thats the point of "locker room issues" Media gets involved and they will stay involved if they don't win... because THEY REMEMBER...
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Parker was leading the league in rushing till he got injured. People tend to pass you in yardage when you are not playing.
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Faneca will be somewhat missed, but he wasn't worth the money he wanted. The Steelers style has always been not to overpay a player they think is on the decline. Faneca, as Steelers fan who actually watched the games know, was on the decline.
As for talking about the Steelers defense, they have work to do, but they were still a heck of a lot better than the Browns defense. You talk about the Browns filling lots of holes while the Steelers did not. Do you really think the Browns filled enough holes to make up the huge gap in points given up? Yeah, the Browns gave up over 100 more points than the Steelers last year. And the offenses, as far as points scored, were almost dead even. The Browns scored like 10 more points or something. So the Steelers had like 120+ net points, and the Browns had like 20 net points. Do you think the Browns filled up enough holes to make up that difference? I doubt it.
And anyone who has actually watched the Steelers knows that a healthy Troy makes a huge difference. It is bad to rely on one player so much, but the defense really suffered without him last season. Opposing offensive coordinators change their entire scheme based on whether Troy is healthy or not.
So, as a lifelong Steelers fan who has watched both the Steelers and the Browns for many years, I can say with confidence that the Browns don't concern me until they can demonstrate that they can string together a couple of winning seasons in a row. One 10-6 season doesn't necessarily mean they have 'turned the corner' and will be the division favorites now.
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Parker would have led the league in rushing but he was grinding out every yard (4.0) per carry... take out Faneca
To the post before this... my whole point read the whole post jeez. And I know Abrewer he wasn't worth the money... because he was a runblocking guard but he will be missed by Parker. Believe that. And believe me Troy is like a Ed Reed he is a game changer I know this... I am not just a Giant fan I am a fan of the NFL... I don't just jump into a discussion without doing my HW... or whatever...do you even know who they got? Rogers and Corey Williams that sures up their biggest weakness. Their DB's are solid safeties are solid... they can use an outside pass rusher. They can go 3-4 or 4-3 switch it up mix it up and confuse teams. And their offense will be even better with Stallworth. So point is their defense and offense is improved. While the Steelers defense will just be improved by getting Troy (while the Browns already know what is like to play against him) I think that the Steelers if they don't mesh up front are in a heap of trouble that simple. Running game is their bread and butter (since you have been a steelers fan for life) you know this. If they come out and have to pass first they are dead in the water...Browns won't be...
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Two team race in the AFC North
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I know the Steelers are a run-first team. That is exactly why I said that Ben won't likely have another season like last season, passing-wise. Yes, Faneca was good, but I'm glad they didn't overpay him to stay. The Steelers are about the best in the NFL at replacing players who are "over the hill" yet want too much money. Personally, I'm looking for the Steelers to add a bruising back to their lineup. I don't think Parker can be a long-term feature back because he's not built to punch holes, a la Jerome Bettis. They need to keep Parker, but begin to use a two-back system on a regular basis.
As for the Browns, like I've said before, everyone is oogling over a 10-6 season, when the Browns record suggests they won't sustain it. When is the last time the Browns maintained a successful streak of seasons? You think just because they added some players, they should automatically be the north favorites. You have to make a lot of assumptions there: that all these new players will perform like they're supposed to (unfounded); that the coaches will be able to make them all work together (unfounded); that Romeo can sustain success (unfounded); that DA will perform like he did early last year (unfounded); that Lewis will continue his success and not revert to his "has-been" performances (unfounded). See, you really need to examine the Browns history and their dependence on has-beens and one-hit wonders before you start crowning them North favorites. The Steelers may not win it this year, but I think they should be given the benefit of the doubt until the Browns demonstrate they can actually defeat the Steelers. How long has it been since they've actually beaten the Steelers, since you do your homework so well?
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Two team race in the AFC North
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I'll do the homework for you: Since the 1993 season, the Steelers are 22-4 against the Browns. You can see why we're not exactly concerned until the Browns actually demonstrate they can sustain success. One winning season out of many only means that even a blind squirrel can find an acorn now and then.
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Two team race in the AFC North
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ok schmazl i agree with u on that everyone thinks that losing faneca will hurt us in the passing game and up the sack totals i disagree faneca was a monster in the run blocking game not the passing game. so thats what im getting at when people say oh expect those sacks to go up i really dont faneca was decent in the passing game. hartwig was carolinas center for a few years he may have played guard out of injures or last year so that center from usc could play. honestly the only question mark on our oline should be LG we have smith at LT soild made the pro bowl once......center hartwig should be solid he has the expirence.........RG simmons has been solid and will continue........RT colon if they dont move him and Max Starks who played really well at LT towards the end of the season so that leaves us with LG who we have the massive Kemo 340 pounds or so Sean Mahan and possibly Willie Colon and a throw atleast one draft pick into the mix............i honestly think we will suprise everyone yet again this is what u have said numerous times like when porter left what did we do replace him with a pro bowler........if you look at how many players we let go that were supposed to devestate us you would see none of them did and i expect fanecas loss to go right into that same category.
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Two team race in the AFC North
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Two team race in the AFC North
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