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Butch/Flowers/Stiemsma Post Badger Career?


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Butch/Flowers/Stiemsma Post Badger Career?
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April 14, 2008 3:49 am
Stiemsma-No Basketball in his future..

Flowers- He'll play in Europe or NBDL

Butch-Europe or no basketball

Im not sure what does anyone think

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April 14, 2008 10:22 am

Stiemsma - if he wants to play he'll play in Europe and probably tear it up. Stiemsma is better than Bo allowed him to be IMO

Flowers - DLeague or Europe

Butch - Europe


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April 14, 2008 12:11 pm

Was Paul Mokeski really that much better than Butch or Stiemsma?  Has the NBA changed where Mokeski would be relegated to Europe?  Or how about Shawn Bradley compared to those two? 

Seems to me that Butch and Stiemsma have the size to get a look at the NBA.  They both have decent range on their shots, they both grab rebounds effectively.  Stiemsma is a legit shot blocker and post defender.  Am I just delusional?

 


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April 14, 2008 12:34 pm
Was Paul Mokeski ...

Either you're showing your age, or I'm showing my youth, because I have no idea who that is.

I think that Stiemsma actually has a better shot at the NBA than Butch.  If the NBA were like the Badgers in that people actually played defense and tried to take charges then I think Butch could do it ... but it isn't.  That's why Stiemsma's defense is really important, because Butch could never dream of being the shot blocker Stiemsma is.  And while they both have decent range, is Butch going to be able to extend his out another few feet to continue hitting 3's?  If he can't, his 20' shots are worth the same amount of points as Stiemsma's 15' ones.  And while Stiemsma could probably hold his own in the NBA I think Butch would get eaten alive inside.

But all this is a moot (mute?) point because neither will make it there.  All three could play Dleague or in Europe.

And speaking of Dleague, did you see that Tucker was putting up 29 points in his last stint there?  That's not much better than his season average of 27.7, though.  He's also hitting 57.7% of his shots and 44.2% of his threes.  Phoenix called him back up and he's going to be on the roster for the playoffs.


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April 14, 2008 12:46 pm

Barry Alvarez sent a petition to the NCAA for Flowers to come back for his 5th year and play cornerback for the football team.  Flowers said he would consider it if he didn't get drafted.


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April 14, 2008 4:15 pm

Komacki - I agree with your assessment on Stiemsma being more likely to make the transition than Butch.  Stiemsma's 15 footer has to be honored more in my mind than Butch's 20 footer, plus Stiemsma's hook in the lane can be shot over a lot of NBA players IMO.  And Stiemsma's defense and shot blocking are better.

Mokeski was a 7 foot, slow, big guy who played marginal defense and could hit an outside shot with a decent percentage.  He was one of quite a few perimeter oriented big guys that Don Nelson brought to Milwaukee.  I think he played for 10 plus seasons.  Basically a bench guy/spot starter with 6 fouls to give and a 3rd or 4th option on offense when he was on the floor.

The NBA looks a tad quicker than those days, but still you can't coach size and both Butch and Stiemsma have size. 


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April 14, 2008 5:16 pm
Paul mokeski and Randy Bruer (Sp?) with teh Rainbow jumper................. Loved listening to Jim Irwin make those calls on teh old Bucks. Throw in Lohaus, Fred Roberts and Jack Sikma and that is classic Don Nelson Bucks basketball. That being said Mokeski was more agile than Butch and had better, not much, but better leaping ability and his shooting touch was more pure than Butch IMO. Breuer had great outside range, much better than Butch's so did Lohaus. That being said you might be right, Butch might have made the NBA back then but regardless he has no shot in this day and age. I don't know about Stiemsma, IMO Bo never developed Stimesma the way Stiemsma should have been played, on another team Stiemsma may have lead the nation in blocked shots and may have averaged a double double every night, we will never know. Of the three I think Stiemsma has the best shot of making it someday

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April 14, 2008 6:27 pm
Did Bo not develop Steimsma or did Steimsma not develop himself?  Let's not forget this kid was ineligible for grades so ambition and motivation are probably not his biggest assets.  He's probably lucky he played for Bo or perhaps he would have been ineligible for longer periods of time.  I live near the Randolph area and the talk in the area is Steimsma isn't very bright and isn't very motivated, and has quite an attitude.  The rumors are also that he and Ryan Tillma never got along even though they won 3 state titles together. 

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April 14, 2008 7:47 pm
Let's not forget this kid was ineligible for gradesThe whole depression things may have played a part in that.

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April 14, 2008 8:33 pm
A couple NFL Teams have said they have "late-round" interest in Flowers to play corner. I think he could be a 7th round draft pick, if he isnt drafted someone will pick him up and he'll try out @ camp.

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April 14, 2008 10:15 pm
A couple NFL Teams have said they have "late-round" interest in Flowers to play corner. I think he could be a 7th round draft pick, if he isnt drafted someone will pick him up and he'll try out @ camp.Unless you've got a link for that I'm not buying it.  If anything NFL teams might have an interest in him AFTER seeing how he does this coming footall season for the Badgers - assuming he doesn't decide to go DLeague or Europe to continue playing basketball.  No NFL team would use a pick - even a seventh round one - on a guy that hasn't even picked up a football in what, five years?

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April 15, 2008 9:50 am

Agreed Komacki.

Their's no gurantee he'll even start next year on a college team, if he comes back.  Much less get drafted by the NFL. Especially since he isn't doing any workouts for NFL teams. Why didn't Alando get drafted to play tight end?


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April 15, 2008 10:44 am
Did Bo not develop Steimsma or did Steimsma not develop himself?  Let's not forget this kid was ineligible for grades so ambition and motivation are probably not his biggest assets.  He's probably lucky he played for Bo or perhaps he would have been ineligible for longer periods of time.  I live near the Randolph area and the talk in the area is Steimsma isn't very bright and isn't very motivated, and has quite an attitude.  The rumors are also that he and Ryan Tillma never got along even though they won 3 state titles togetherGet over yourself nation, it wasn't a pot shot at Bo. My point was that Stiemsma's "strengths" were probably not best suited for Bo's system and vice versa. The two of them probably did the best they could to make it work but Greg PROBABLY would have been better suited in a system that accentuated his strengths. That is all I meant by that comment.  As far as "attitude" I don't think I have ever meant a high caliber D1 athlete who isn't an egomaniac to some degree. Let's face it, they were BMOC's from whatever high school they went to, my impressions of Stiemsma are that he is no more and no less of that than anyone else ON AVERAGE (exceptions to every rule goes both ways and is noted). Who's Ryan Tilma, oh wait, I don't care.........  (seriously I know who he is, and still don't care)

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April 16, 2008 9:53 pm

Kaara - you must seriously have short man's syndrome.  I guess I didn't realize I was all about myself with my post.  It was simply a different point of view.....oh wait, if it isn't your point of view then it can't be valid. 

Steimsma's depression was very overblown.  The Randolph natives will tell you his grades were terrible in high school, and it was a cover up.  It's not what I say, it's what some of the Randolph folk have said.  Let's not forget Greg didn't play much of his senior year because he tore up his knee his prior to the basketball season on a motorcycle.  That probably stunted his growth some and would have been another good reason for him to redshirt.  As far as his strengths he fits Bo's system perfectly.  He plays solid help defense and is a big man who can hit the 15 foot jumper (set shot).  I'm not sure why he never improved his hedging, but I highly that is a product of Bo not teaching him, but more of a product of him doing what he does.


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April 17, 2008 11:10 am
That where you are wrong again nation. Stiemsma is a natural born shot blocker, for all intents and purposes Bo's help defense calls for you to stay on the ground and not block shots, that goes against Stiemsma's instincts. To maximize a player you have to play to their strengths and instincts, Stiemsma's instincts were to block shots, make difficult passes and dominate the lane, Bo wanted him hedging, playing on the perimeter (a must in the swing for big men). As for short man's syndrome I am pretty sure it is you with the inferiority complex, it is you who needs to rebuke and insult every valid point made with your drivel and uneducated point of view. i am hear jsut to show you how stupid and wrong you are. I'm trying to help you nation, can't you see that. Bo's teaching's were not lost on Stiemsma, I think Krabbenhoft has attested to that time and agian, they just go against his instincts. Again, I liked Greg, I love Bo, I just think hey wer ento a fit for eachother. If Greg would have played for another team that was a better fit he would have been all conference, more than likely set their career and single season shot blocking records (not all scholls but alot of them) and averaged a double double, he didn;t under Bo because it  was a bad fit. That is nothing against Bo or Greg it;s just a fact, why is that so hard to swallow

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