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Kevin Colbert should be fired


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Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Since:Mar 7, 2008

April 28, 2008 11:11 am

Well said father of twins.

All of the top shelf offensive talent, plus one first round reach (Sam Baker) were gone by the 23rd pick.  I was surprised that Rarshard Mendenhall dropped to the Steelers.  If he was the highest rated player on their board, you stick to your board and draft the best player.  Going off your  board and reaching for needs is what gets teams in trouble.   I am mildly disappointed in two choices, Dennis Dixon and the linebacker out of Iowa.  Dixon is a project who may have a future in certain specialty (spread option) packages Arians may implement.  Think about it, both Dixon and Mendenhall played their  college ball in a spread option offense.  Put them both in the backfield in certain specialty situations (third and short, goal line) and see what happens.  It could be fun.  Limas Sweed was a steal in the second round.  Ben Roethlisberger will love him.  Bruce Davis was highly productive in a big time program.  He lead the Pac-10 in sacks last year with 12 and finshed his career second on the UCLA all-time sack list and 3rd in tackles for loss.  He is James Harrison's eventual replacement.  Sure Harrison has started only one season, but he will be 30 this season.  Tony Hills was not lazy, he was injured.  There is a huge difference between not performing for lack of effort and not performing because of a broken leg.  He allowed only 4 sacks and 7 QB pressures on 743 collegiate pass attempts.  That's not bad.  Would I have liked a top shelf offensive lineman or defensive end?   Sure, but if there are other players rated higher at either a position of need or a depth need, then you stick to you board and draft your highest rated player. 


Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Since:Jan 3, 2007

April 28, 2008 11:44 am

Lets put one thing to rest here, The offensive line they have isn't that bad. Simple fact is Ben and the so called play makers could be accountable for probally half the sacks, you can't just hang them all on the line. Ben holds the ball longer than most QB's that will add to a sack total, Parker while he is a fine back has trouble being consistant when teams stack the box, and our WR's while I love them aren't really good when it comes to the jump ball, making it hard for Ben to get rid of it when preasure is immenent.

So they addressed the back issue.(while I addmitt I don't follow college ball I here R.M. is a bruising back with good speed)

They addressed t he WR position with a big WR, I beleave 6'4" 220.

And still have a project OL man who may workout and may not.


Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Since:Jul 2, 2007

April 28, 2008 12:05 pm
u guys are overrating way too much about the oline sure it wouldve been nice to get some help but there was no one worthy when we were picking and i have a feeling after last year our offensive linemen are gonna be on a mission to make up for last year just relax have some faith in the Steelers.

Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Since:Sep 25, 2007

April 28, 2008 12:12 pm

In all of the interviews with Steelers coaches, none of them seem overly concerned with the line, at least not nearly as concerned as the media seems to be with it. I watched all of the games last year and although the Steelers gave up a lot of sacks last year, that stat alone does not tell the whole story. #1There were a lot of coverage sacks where Ben was pulled down trying to extend a play when no one got open. Starting recievers spent a considerable amount of time on the injured list last year and Ben has a talent of being able to extend a play with his size and mobility to give his recievers more chances to get open. You are going to take some extra sacks that way but it is worth the pay off. #2 the Steelers played a more opened up offense last year than they have in the past. They played a lot of single back sets. That is one less guy to pass protect. #3 When the line looked bad was against the blitz and stunts. The line also did a bad job against 3-4 defenses like the Jets (who happened to sent 5 and 6 almost the whole game, maybe they saw something). The Steelers blocking assignments have always been called by the center. With the retirement of Hartings, that left someone new calling blocking assignments last year. I read that they experimented with Ben calling his own. I don't know if they stuck with it all year. #4 they had new line coach last year.

This isn't Madden football; plug in guy with higher stats = better line. Real football line play has a lot more to it, and player and coaching development mean a lot more. Besides having more size at reciever can allow you to get the ball out faster. More speed at reciever can allow you to leave the ends and backs in more often to pass protect. A power running game can be a great way to slow a blitz.


Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Reputation:93
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Since:Dec 20, 2006

April 28, 2008 12:38 pm
smcndfan, I understand where you are coming from, and I agree with part of your argument-- though I too think you are being a little too negative about this particular draft. 

I remember when Donohoe was drafting with Cowher, he would find all kinds of late round gems.  Rounds two through five were always full of treasures under Donohoe.  But Donohoe only batted around .500 with the first round, and the ones who did stick often weren't stars.

Since Colbert replaced Donohoe, I have noticed that the trend has been the opposite.  The Steelers have been nearly perfect in the first round (so Kendall Simmons never became a star; he's still been a quality starter for years-- and the jury is still out on Lawrence Timmons, though he'd better show something soon).  Still the list of first round jackpots under Colbert has got to be among the best in the league during his tenure.  Also the 2nd and 3rd rounds have been fairly good.  The percentage of studs hasn't been quite as high, but there have been a few of them.  However, after the 3rd round, drafts under Colbert have been dreadful.  Yes, there have been maybe 3 starters found in rounds four through seven in the past six or seven years, but that's a pretty bad percentage.

And every year, if you follow the draft, you know there are big name guys who drop into rounds four and five-- and you watch them sit there, falling to Pittsburgh.  Then you watch Pittsburgh take some virtual unknown who is rated to go much later or undrafted and whose stats and numbers and film don't come close to comparing to a dozen other guys at that same position who played for big time programs.  Like all Personnel guys, Colbert is looking for the hidden gem-- the guy he finds but the others miss.  It's an ego thing-- finding the hidden treasure.

But what happened to the philosophy of the best player available?  It seems to apply for Colbert only to the first couple of rounds-- then he starts going off on tangents-- aiming a dead eye on private projects and favorites he has already identified.  We saw over this weekend how good a draft can be if you just take what is on the board-- the best players will Always help your team, almost no matter where they play or what you think you need.  I confess to great frustration when Colbert moves away from that in the late rounds.  Seriously-- on what board was Mike Humpal rated above Roy Schuening or Drew Radovich or Keilen Dykes, among many others?  I can't believe even the Steelers thought Humpal was better than those guys or dozens of others.  But Colbert LIKED him-- so picking best available went out the window.  And it drives me nuts and it hurts the team.  I am hoping Mike Tomlin will, at some point, put his foot down and say-- No, we're going to change our late-round drafting philosophy....

Still, smcndfan, I don't agree with your assessment of this draft.  Aside from the pick of Mike Humpal, whose primary contribution will be special teams anyway, not linebacker, this was one of Colbert's better drafts.  I will be curious to see how Mundy works out.  He was not a value pick, and couldn't have been high on many people's boards, but he is a free safety with good speed, good deep coverage skills and a high football I.Q., so the ingredients are there to make him a hidden gem.  We won't truly be able to assess this draft until rookie free agents are all signed.  If they manage to get a group of good O and D linemen, then maybe a couple will stick as good developmental prospects-- and then I will feel this was a really good draft.

Kevin Colbert should be fired
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Since:Feb 9, 2008

April 28, 2008 1:01 pm

Well the Steelers draft was a good one. One of the better ones we have had in years. I think that some of us are over-analyzing because we didn't get some better "names" in here. Mendenhall is a Steeler. He is the type of back that we need. He compliments Willie. Sweed is the receiver that Ben wanted to have. So why not have one of the best receivers out of the draft. Great pick here. Davis will be the heir apparent to Harrison. He was a beast with UCLA. And he will spell Woodley and Harrison this year. No complaint here. Though Hills has had more than a fair share of injuries, he still managed to start for a very reputable school in Texas. Obviously the Steelers staff see something in him that will have him on the field by next year. Maybe this year as well. Dixon will be the back up to Ben in a year or 2. But I see him as a good "slash" type of player. It may have been a little reach to get him the 5th RD, but we shall see how it pans out when the season starts. He has a great arm and he can run. So this will benefit us. Humpal is a player I see on the special teams. Hey you cannot go wrong here. ANY HELP WE GET HERE IS A BONUS. And believe it or not, Mundy has had a good career thus far and it will only get better with the Steelers. He was a very good S with Michigan and WVU. In fact; he teamed with Wicks to have one of the best S tandems in the nation. He has exceptional cover skills and he can tackle.

Only due time will tell how these players pan out with us but I think that we had a good draft. We cannot evaluate the draft based on that we didn't get any DEs or we didn't get any more known names on the OL. But hey, not every player drafted becomes a starter. Roles players is what helps teams win as well. We addressed the majority of them in the draft and we are talking to FAs right now. So I'm sure that we shall be complete by the time the training camp rolls around.


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April 28, 2008 1:38 pm
I'm not all that thrilled with the draft, but I also recognize that we did seem to take the best players available regardless of where they fit on our roster.

Mendenhall - 225 does not qualify as a "big" or change of pace back to me.  He's only got 15 pounds on Willie, so short yardage we'll still have to use someone like Davenport or ??.  I can see the insurance / breather side of the pick, but that's 1st round money for a guy expected to be basically a 3rd down back?  I'm just not sold on him being that good either.  I saw him play plenty of times, but I'm not all that impressed.

Sweed - it's common knowledge that WR's take more time to develop, so don't even think he'll contribute for a few years.  Just because he's tall doesn't mean he'll run routes well... look at Dallas Baker or Fred Gibson.

Honestly the rest of the guys drafted have their work cut out for them just to make the roster.  Dixon might be a steal if he's wiling to play more of a Randel El type position WR/RB/QB gimmick guy.  But again, not this year.

I see most of our picks taking several years to develop, no immediate impact players.  So let's call this a rebuilding year, maybe pull out 8 wins and get our coveted lineman next year.  3-4 years down the road hope that we are solid enough to make a run at another SB.

Just my opinion

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