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April 30, 2008 5:32 am

WSUcougar05  Writes "Remember Regan got those hostages released by promising Iran Arms; F15's, surface to air missiles... the whole works. And, he made that deal while he was a just a candidate. Not cool. Not smart"

 


 

Your History Memory is not correct WSUcougat05

  • Through 1977 Iran, ruled by the Shah of Iran, was a close American Ally. During the Nixon Administration, The Shah of Iran came to the United States to select either the new F-15 Eagle or the F-14 Tom Cat for his Iranian Airforce to replace the aged F-4 Phantoms.  He ask for a "fly off" of the 2 "top of the line" American Aircrat.  He selected the F-14 Tom Cats.  The F-14's were delivered to the Shah of Iran with the American personal to train the Iranian Air Force and ground crews. 
  • When the Ayatollall Khomeini took control of Iran in January 1979 after 2 years of chaos all bets were off.  His regime took control of the American Embassy and 3000 "students" imprisoned 52 Americans including Marines on November 4th, 79.  The country of Iran and especially it's women had to change.  Like pulling a light switch, women were expected to cover their entire bodys with cloth. Life was thrown back a hundred years.
  •  The American personal that were asigned to train the pilots and ground crews left much sooner in 1977-78.  With them came electronics and other sensitive parts/material that made the F-14's fly.  To date, those planes have never flown.
  • When the 52 Americans were imprisoned, ABC began a program named Night Line hosted by Ted Koppel.  They said Night Line would stay on the air until the Americans were set free. Of course we all know they stayed on the air much longer.
  • President Reagan could not have made any promise to another country, especially military arms, while a candidate for office.  That kind of deal requires the approval of congress.  And of course he did not do what you've suggested as no country would supply an enemy with weapons that could be used to attack American interest. Candidate Reagan did promise Americans that his first order of business would be to get the 52 hostages home.

The Americans were released after 444 days when Ronald Reagan took the oath of office.  I watched television along with many other Americans and Iran waited until the very minute when Carter was not President.  That's when our Americans left Iran's air space.  They came home to a different America not knowing that every American had counted each day.  They came home to an America full of pride in being an American. It was a very special time for them.  They could be Americans again.

 


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April 30, 2008 8:42 am

Give me a break, Obama was doing this to capture attention.  Yes we do need a republican to run for president.  It is a joke to have a president that wants to pull the troops because it would create a terrorist state in Iraq.  That is a slap in the face to the troops that died.  I wish this wasn't the end of Bush's second term because we could use him for another four years or more. 


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April 30, 2008 10:49 am

I will say this about this thread: There are definitely some intelligent people on these boards and some responses have been absolutely stimulating.  Let me clarify a few things.  First, the President doesn't have nearly as much power as we think.  The top 5% of rich people who were referred to earlier actually run the world and they are not all Americans.  We have a long way to go to understand what pure politics and propaganda are.  Some of you should listen to yourselves.  You speak with anger one moment like you are ready to hurt someone for their opinion and result to childish name calling and insults; then on the other hand, reveal cowardness in talking about terrorist.  I am sorry but I am not afraid of a paper terrorist.  I have lived for a very long time and I am more afraid of our governent and it's current condition than any foreign terrorist.  We live in the 21st Century and just listen to the ignornace that is spewed on some sites.  Listen to the radio announcers and all.  This country is as divided as night and day, yet we pretend on paper like every evil comes from abroad. 

Think about it this way- Under Clinton this country was thriving.  Regardless of what you think about the scandal he lead this country like no other President in a very long time.  As soon as Bush takes office, look what happens, 9-11.  Not even a year into his term, we have major issue.  Verdict is still out on who to blame and it is amazing that Bin Laden is still alive who was "supposedly" responsible but Hussein, who had no links is dead. However, Iraq is the country we had interest in under the elder Bush.  If you guys understood have many innocent people died under shock and awe it would make you all insurrectionist without question.  I know a lot about our military strategies and when we drop 2000 bombs in two minutes to "light the sky" there is a massacre insuing.  Imagine that during Desert Shield/Storm, most of our deaths came via friendly fire.  That means we hit our own targets with misinformation.  Now imagine how many people died under 2000 bombs.  I was more shocked with the words the President used.  In my mind I was thinking Presidents do not talk like that.  Civilians, babies, women, fathers, brothers, grandparents and sisters.  If you could see the bodies, it would literally make you sick to your stomach.  I bet if we could use a satellite dish to show radar of bones in the ground you would simply be numb.  To kill the sensationalism of how many we lost, our government quickly shut down pics of caskets draped with the American flags coming back to America from being published everywhere.   Talk about propoganda.  Do you think America wants the world to think we are mercernaries?  It doesn't matter how you try to defend it, we have killed thousands and lost thousands in a war without cause, without justification and on the premise of misinformation.  That is a sad reality but it is true.  It is almost like we are discovering Iraq like we discovered the new world.  Killed all the indians or enslaved them and removed them from the history books.  We have killed all the leaders of Iraq and removed them from the history books.  Every statue of Hussein has been destroyed, ala, how the noses of the statues in Africa(Eygpt) have been multilated.   

What this country needs is a serious Change in direction, in philosophy and in the welfare of its citizens.  No more exploitation of innocent civilians for economic gain.  No more degradation of those without healthcare.  More concern for those losing homes, jobs, businesses and sanity.  Our school system is a shame as many need valuable resources.  We spend tillions on lost cause wars while pinching pennies to tomorrows leaders(our children).  Our educational budget is like a joke compared to our defense budget.  Our children are a real entity who needs the funds but our terrorist appear to be built up on propaganda and hearsay.  The only thing to fear in life is fear itself.  Look at the condition of this country and other countries around the world we have destroyed on the basis of fear.

Obama has already shown courage by running for office in a racist country.  Whether you agree to it or not, America is a racist country and if you are not rich you are less than the best.  It not even about being European American(white) or African American(black), it is about the haves and have nots.  An hour-glass affect with the bottom widening as we speak.  Remember 68% of the poor in America are European American so do not be fooled in voting for color that is the biggest deception in America today, that if you are white , you are rich and all minorities are poor.  As a country we are so ignorant and I mean that. I am not a racist, I am not pro anything except being a Christian and I am a republican but there is a sad reality in this country.  We are lost, confused and discombobulated.  I will not vote for McCain becuase he doesn't represent the true values this country needs.

If you do not vote for Obama, remember you were warned ahead of time.  Many wanted Bush in office, now look at the results.  I mean really look at the results.  Let go of ignorance and allow some intelligence lead you to the best candidate possible.  Hillary has shown her true colors and McCain will lead us into worse territiry than Bush.  The election is upon us and many can cast an early vote.  Let's do the right thing so we can embrace what this great country is truly about.  Land of the free and home of  the Brave.  Last time I checked Brave is not afraid of terrorist.  Brave is not ignorance to act without cause.  When it  is time Brave acts with purpose, courage and valor in the best interest of all invloved.

Good day folks.


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April 30, 2008 11:04 am

Uncle you worte: "Before you vote for a New President research their political habits and patterns.  What a person votes, writes and has said, will give you a good idea of what they will do in  the future.  People form habits and patterns in their life and they don't change.  Don't rely on the media to do the work for you, do it yourself" 

That could not have been a more profound statement to justify why we need change.  You said it beautifully and let me clarify how profound you were.  Since the inception of our government in the US, it has always been under European leadership.  There are rumors and probably facts that Jefferson was part African American but until today there had not been a man of color in the "white" house.  Now think about the laws our government created to deny AAs, women and other minorities equal rights and opportunities. If your statement is true, then our Government has not changed because they don't change.  Maybe that is a reason we still have racism, discrimination, hate and prejudice in the 21st century in the US?  We really need change now more than ever based on your statement.  Until we have change we will always have that racist attitude as a government and until government can promote racial harmony can we have world peace because 3/4ths of this world is of color.  Of course you knew that.  You see a mind that feels inferior yet displays superior motives is a lethal weapon and kills everything that doesn't promote its self image.  I do not want to get too deep but we need change and that change based on your philosophy should not be European because they can not change from the slave mentality they created the new world with.  Now correct me if I am wrong.  Good day my friend. 


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April 30, 2008 11:10 am

A. read George Pirro's interrogation of Saddam Hussein. If you read that he states that Saddam wanted us to think that he had weapons to keep Iran from invading Iraq again which makes him just as guilty as if he had them.  Then he also states that Saddam was planning to bring them back someday so Saddam was always going to be a thorn in our side and he was worth getting rid of.

B. The economy thrived underneath Bill Clinton because of the internet not because of Bill's policies.  Also the economy grew by .6 percent in the first quarter so the economy isn't that bad off, the only bad parts are that people bought houses and banks let them buy houses that could not be paid off so the economy is naturally going to sag.

C.  We are still chasing Bin Ladin, the only reason we caught Hussein is because we found someone who ratted him out.  Other than that Hussein would still be on the loose.

D.  Remember Bill Clinton laid off half of our military so he is a joke.  Don't forget that he had Bin Ladin in his cross hairs and didn't pull the trigger.

E.  Remember if Barack wins he will not pull out, it would take us 4 years at least to pull out at least.  We have a base in there.  Quit rolling on emotions and come back to reality. 

F. George Bush was the right candidate, when he had evidence he acted on it.  He chased Bin Ladin as soon as he could, he went into Iraq as soon as he could.  He even asked the U.N. for permission but they are truly useless. 


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April 30, 2008 11:18 am

I forgot to mention this.

G. Race isn't the issue, the issue is that Obama is liberal so bury that race card under the bus.

H. Don't you think the Welfare system is killing our economy more than the war.  We are paying for something that is not getting returns. 


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April 30, 2008 11:24 am

Ftballgenius....I just love how we label as "ignorant" anyone who doesn't believe as we do or support the candidate we support.  And this is "change"????  And which Obama speech gives you such hope when you listen to it...the one where he supports and backs his pastor, or the one where he throws him under the bus?

All three candidates have made mistakes; all three candidates has exposed their "real" selves; all three candidates will be nothing more than the same.  I'm not sure who I'll be voiting for yet (no one has picked a running mate), but I'm not sure I want to vote for someone because he plays basketball with "local folks" and gives away free concert tickets...seems like we need a little more. 


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April 30, 2008 11:34 am

We all can agree that McCain will be Bush all over again, so I say go Hillary.  Atleast we will get to see Bill Clinton as the First Man trying to hit a$$ from the interns and white house staff. 


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April 30, 2008 11:36 am
Obama played basketball with UNC, who cares.  His brother-in-law's coaching philosophy, or recruiting that is game for discussion.  Besides, ALL politicians are liars and thieves if anyone believes otherwise you are naive and ignorant. 

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April 30, 2008 11:49 am
gas prices have tripled since Bush took over.  You dont think our foreign policy has anything to do with that???? F*** Bush! he has the worst approval rating since Nixon for a reason!  Probably because our economy is awful, we are stuck in a completely useless and unending war, we have alienated ourselves from many of our allies and the entire world hates us because we try to police it, gas prices are through the roof causing a dramatic increase of many things that americans purchase every day, the US dollar isnt worth the piece of paper its printed on, we have outsourced all of our jobs, there are 20 million illegal aliens living in our country not paying taxes yet recieving benefits from the government and we dont have a decent plan to stop it, we havent caught Bin Laden,.  Another thing, whose fault do you think it is now that pulling out of Iraq will create a terrorist state???  Its Bush's.  Before we went into Iraq there was little terrorist activity... funny how we called it "the war on terror" to get Americans to back it and now the terrorist threat is even greater because the entire country is in complete upheaval.  Do you think for a second that we are going to change the minds of the people who hate us and create some sort of peaceful environment in Iraq?????  No!!!  You have to be a f***ing moron to believe that!  These people have been the same way for thousands of years and some idiot like Bush isnt going to change that.  Congratulations on catching Saddam Hussein.... worst move ever....  now we have even more problems.

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April 30, 2008 12:39 pm

the Phog give me a break.  I am using the worst approval rating against you.  I would rather have my president hated than Bill Clinton who had the highest rating even though he was impeached.  Bush ran a clean program.  Prove it otherwise.  Read George Pirro's interrogation.  really you need to.  tHe Phog, I have a hundred dollars saying you don't have a bachelor's degree in mathematics,