THE END SHOULD BE NOW !!!!

What is it going to take to have Yost replaced. I don't know maybe hitting the pitcher cleanup or leadoff just to get him out of the way. Maybe we are waiting to be in Last place.

I am sorry but this team is not responding to him. It is time to move on. I really don't care if it is Simmons, the triple A coach ,  Don Nelson, or Mike Holmgren that takes over . But we need a change. These games mean as much as the games in September, so as the saying goes "time is a waisting".

I really don't expect Yost to quit, so when we miss out on the playoffs by two games again ,this will be Melvins fault. The person I feel bad for is Mark A. He put his trust in his employees and has spent money when he has been asked to do so. Unfortunately Ned has not used the people that have been put around him wisely.

I have been a Brewers  fan since they came from Seattle. This is not what we all deserve. Maybe the Mets will take Turbow and Yost combined ,he should still be able to hit ninth in the order for his .210 average. I forgot in Neds world that means he should be hitting leadoff.

LOL..Just how wisely can one use this woeful pitching staff? Yes..Money was spent, but NOT necessarily wisely..

You can bash Yost all you want(and maybe they will fire Yost..just to shake up the team..but there is no way, with the pitching staff pitching the way it is..the Brewers will even be in contention..

I don't care if John McGraw is managing this team

I was thinking of posting a thread just like this.  I think Yost takes a ton of the blame as this team has not improved fundamentally at all under his watch.  Small ball is nonexistant, baserunning is still horrible and he continues to be clueless about handling a pitching staff regardless of the quality.  Say what you will about the quality of players Yost has been given, but this is a better team then they have shown over the last two years.  I watch these games and continually see the same fundamental mistakes game after game after game and its not like its second guessing.  Most of us see these mistakes as they are happening, not after looking at the resaults of the descisions.  The Cardinals are throwing journeymen pitchers on the mound game after game and I dont see one bit of quit in that team.

Yes, I said quit.  Watching that game last night, the entire team looked completely uninspired.   I see zero emotion, a bunch of frustrated hitters and scared pitchers.  Something is not clicking between the players and the coaching staff and the players have obviously stopped responding to anything the they are being told.  I'm not saying the team is full of quitters, but they are young and Yost and his staff obviously have no clue as to how you lead a group of young players.  They are undisciplined, uninspired and in shock and this staff has no clue in how to deal with that. 

Its time for a change.  Not for the sake of change but becuse one is called for.  This team has too much talent for this to be happening and I believe the players are just sick and tired of the ineptness of this coaching staff.

"Also why do we as fans see a starter is struggling in an inning and but left out to hang. I am thinking of the 6 runs by Suppan against the Cubs in the first inning, the many time we have watched Bush or Parra or Villy struggle in the forth , or fifth innings. I just don't understand Yost logic. "

Think about what you have just said..

The majority of our starters struggle EVERY game to get out of the 5th..as a manager..you have to hope your starters can at least get into the 6th inning..if Yost pulled the starters every time they struggle..our bullpen would explode..

I am NOT defending him..but our pitching staff stinks..

Here's the 2008 pitching staff:

Mota 15 IP 13 Hits 10 BB 1.53 WHIP and hitters are hitting .241 ERA 2.40

Torres 22 IP 21 Hits 8 BB 1.32 WHIP hitters hitting at .263 ERA 2.86

Shouse 10.2 IP 9 Hits 3 BB 1.13 WHIP hitters at .231 ERA 3.38

Riske 17.1 IP 19 Hits 8 BB 1.56 WHIP hitters at .279 with a 5.19 ERA

McClung 11.2 IP 10 hits 9 BB 1.63 WHIP hitters at .238 and a 5.40 ERA

Gagne 14.2 IP 15 hits 10 BB 1.70 WHIP hitters at .263 and a 6.14 ERA(5 Blown saves)

There's your Bullpen..some awful numbers there!

And the Starters(besides Sheets and Gallardo..who is out for the year)

Parra 6 Games started 27.2 IP 38 hits 17 BB 1.99 WHIP and he's getting tagged at a .330 clip with a 5.86 ERA

Bush 4 games started 23.2 IP 27 hits 12 BB 1.65 WHIP and getting hit at a .293 clip with an ERA of 6.46

Villanueva 6 games started 34 IP 41 hits 11 BB 1.53 WHIP and getting hit at a .295 clip with an ERA of 5.56

(Just those 3 starters have started HALF the Brewers games so far..wonder why we're losing yet?)

Suppan 7 game sstarted 39.2 IP 48 hits 14 BB 1.56 WHIP and getting hit at a .304 clip with an ERA of 5.22

Out of 32 games..these four "pitchers" have started 23 of them..with THIS type of starting pitching..do you really expect anything more than a .500 ballclub?

"Thanks for showing everyone how little Yost has gotten out of his players. "

If you are blaming Yost for this pitching staff..explain that one?

This should be good

"Yes I am . Lets go back to the Bambi era. Jim Slaton, Pete Vuckovich, Teddy Higeura, were these guys in there prime. Oh I forgot that young stud we picked up Don Sutton. Oh yea Pete Ladd was one hell of a stud. By the way go look at that roster and they did go to the series. It happens all the time. This staff does have enough talent to win, it just does not have the manager to get it out of them. "

PUH-LEEZE!

1978 (The starters) Team ERA 3.65

Caldwell 22-9 2.36 ERA

Sorenson 18-12 3.21 ERA

Augustine 13-12 4.54 ERA

Travers 12-11 4.41

Replogle 9-5 3.92 ERA

1979 Team ERA 4.03

Sorenson 15-14 3.98 ERA

Slaton 15-9 3.63 ERA

Caldwell 16-6 3.29 ERA

Haas 11-11 4.78

Travers 14-8 3.89

Augustine was moved to the bullpen

1980(Bambi's LAST year..and NO they didn't make the playoffs under Bamberger)

TEAM ERA 3.71

Caldwell 13-11 4.03

Haas 16-15 3.10 ERA

Sorenson 12-140 3.68 ERA

Travers 12-6 3.91 ERA

Mitchell 5-5 3.53 ERA

Cleveland 11-9 3.73 ERA

Jim Slaton pitched in only 3 games in 1980

Bambi had BETTER pitchers and it was 30 years ago..a little different game than today's bandbox home run derby

And you're trying to say BAMBI was responsible for all these stats and Yost is directly responsible for his pitchers stats?

Ridiculous

1982 was the year the Brewers went to the series under harvey Kuehn and MOST of the pitchers were in their prime

Caldwell 33, Vukovich 29, Don Sutton 37, Haas 26, McClure 30, Slaton 32 and we had Fingers in the pen..

Nope..can't buy what you're trying to sell..

If you are blaming Yost for this pitching staff..explain that one?

This should be good

Are you claiming that every pitcher on this staff is pitching to his best potential.  If I believed that I would agree with you.  I dont think CV and Parra are going to be staff aces, but I think they are much better than they have shown.  Look at the Cardinals pitching staff.  Are you going to tell me that, on paper, they are as talented as the Brewer staff one through five?   I certainly would not, yet they sit atop the division and well in front of us.  How do you suppose that happened?  You dont think LaRussa and by extension, Duncan, had anything at all to do with getting the most out of what he has?  Its a matter of knowing how to handle the staff and promoting a culture of winning.  Something this staff has not done. 

Clearly not getting out of the fifth inning as a starter is acceptable, bad baserunning is acceptable, poor plate approach and discipline are acceptable.  If they are not, why are these guys doing it day in and day out?   Sounds a lot like a manager and coaching staff that cannot communicate with this young team and the play on the field is reflecting that.

Please..Suppan's career ERA is 4.62  Do you think some other manager is going to transform him into something else?

He is what he is

Parra has limited experience..so..who knows what to expect?

Bush has a career ERA of 4.53

Villenueva..was decent last year..this year..no..

It doesn't matter what players look like on paper..it's results that count..

Everone keeps saying how talented this Brewer team is..yet the results don't back that up..

I have NO problem if Yost gets fired or NOT..however, it is absolutely ridiculous..to blame ALL these things on Yost..as if firing him..suddenly will transform Suppan into a 2.50 ERA man who strikes out a lot of batters..or Parra will suddenly start throwing complete games..or gagne will regain his pre-steroid form..

Yep..Yost..he's responsible if a player goes into a slump..if Fielder doesn't hit home runs, if the pitching staff stinks..

The manager GETS fired because of the TEAM...

Phil Garner had one good year here as a manager..then he got fired..then he took Houston to the World Series..what changed? If the manager is so responsible for everything?

You can look through history and find good managers when they have mediocre teams..they LOSE

and you can find what you would call mediocre managers..who when they get blessed with a good team..they WIN

Managers do NOT make that big a difference..period(in my not so humble opinion)