PATS HATERS CAN APOLOGIZE HERE

ESPNdude. 1st off you shouldn't be trying to showcase your NFL knowledge when you don't even know how many teams in the league. FYI there are 32 teams in the NFL not 30. Secondly, they obviously are/were gaining what BB would percieve to get an advantage from these tapes or he would'nt have risked getting caught and punished in the first place. Nor would he have wasted so much time in a fruitless act.

The Patriots are not vindicated they were proved to be just what they were punished for. They cheated end of story, I can't wait until Walsh finally meets with Goodell and we can all finally move on from this whole thing. They got punished pretty severely and I think all in all it was a fair punishment.

You all can forget about apolagies though. Why would someone apologize to you for? They called your team cheaters and your team admitted to being cheaters, what's wrong with that? In many peoples eyes the Patriots achievements under BB will always be tainted.

boltnut,

kind of ironic that your talking about cheating and your avatar is of Shawn Marriman...

Hey Billy,

"How is this different

Barry would have been a good hitter with out steroids and the Pats would have been a good team with out Cheating too

but would Barry have the Home Run Record or the Pats have all the Championships

I can not answer that question and neither can anyone on this board"

Is it any different than answering whether or not Jason Giambi would have hit 2 HRs off Pedro Martinez in game 7 of the 2003 ACLS without the juice?

The taping of the Steelers must have really paid off in the 2nd half of the 2002 AFC Championship game, since NE scored all of 3 points in that half - same as they scored in the 2nd half of SB XVI.  What a joke.

Look at the games.  The main factor in winning almost all their big games was the same way all football games are won:  THEY DOMINATE IN THE TRENCHES!  When you push your man around and consistently deliver punishing hits - you win.  And that's how NE lost their last game, too.  It's so simple, but there it is.

I apologize for ever thinking the Patriots were legitimate winners.

I apologize for considering the Pats coach as one of the best in the business.

I apologize for thinking the quarterback was as talented as he seemed.

I'm sorry that I believed that Boston fans had enough sense not to think a cheating team was worthy of respect.

Thanks for the opportunity ,Patheticmatic.

The Pats cheated, were caught cheating and therefore had to forfeit their draft pick in the 1st round.......to make things worse/better, they were part of the biggest choke in SPORTS HISTORY......hell of a season.......hahahahahahahaha

If it looks like a cheater, walks like a cheater, talks like a cheater.......well

cheef,

actually it is common knowledge about the taping, former and current coaches have come out to say it as well....Jon gruden, Jimmy Johnson, John madden, mike Shannahan just to name a few.....The reason why they were punished so severe was, BECAUSE it was common knowledge, and Goddell wanted it stopped, he sent out a memo to EVERY TEAM in the NFL to stop doing it, and to only tape from the approved locations(not on the sidelines which the Patriots were doing)  AFTER the memo went out, Bill Belichick Still taped from the sidelines which upset Goddell, which in turn made him levy the largest fines ever in the history of the NFL so as no-one will attempt to do this again, NOT because it was the Patriots and onlythe Patriots doing this...hope that clears a few things up, but if you are a true hater, it won't make one bit of difference....

He still hasn't even met with Goodell yet. 

So funny to me that Patriots fans thinks this eliminates the cloud of doubt hanging over their 3 Super Bowls in the past decade.  Did Barry Bonds ever fail a drug test?  No but we all know he cheated.  Same thing here.  Only instead of 100% yes cheated, I'll put it at 80%

to BeanCitiesBest.....good post but you only got one thing right...there are 32 teams not 30...my bad.

As I've said before..I do not or will not condone what BB and the Pats did. They broke the rules and got punished for it. I believe the largest fine in league history and taking a 1st rd pick was sufficient.

The Patriots are vindicated because they fully cooperated with the NFL during it's 'spygate' investigation and nothing came of the alledged 'taping of the Rams walkthrough'.

The Patriots did use the videotape to gain an advantage but only in future games and not in the games they were playing in when the videotaping took place. That's not illegal!Even Goodell acknowledged he knows the Pats didn't use the videotape during games. The Pats were punished for an illegal recording device on the sidelines during a game they were not punished or 'cheating'.  

'spygate' is over and now we know there was no 'rams walkthrough tape' and for that the Pats organization is due an apology. The Pats apologized for breaking the rules...Walsh should have to apologize for starting unsubstantiated rumors against one of the most respected organization in the NFL.

Here's a question for the haters....if the NFL competition committee and the NFL owners committee are satisfied with the 'spygate' investigation and the punishment handed down how come you haters aren't satisfied? Could it be ignorance? Jealousy?

I think it's both...ignorance and jealousy!! LOL.

Go Patriots!!

Listen, I was never in an uproar over this "Spygate" crap. Frankly, I'm sick of hearing about it. Plus, I think most teams employ similar tactics. But your "genius" coach had his head so far up his a$$ that he neglected to realize you need to be someone secretive when it comes to espionage. It probably didn't help his cause that he's one of the smuggest SOBs on the planet.

I find it funny that the guy who started this thread thinks the NFL flak saying all is well means all is well. Yeah, be/c the NFL wants a cheating conspiracy on its hands.

I've got a better idea for the title of your post - OK PATS FANS WE GOT CAUGHT AND ALL THEY DID WAS FINE US 10 CENTSBITE ME!