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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Apr 1, 2007
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Is this an SEC exclusive thing, or and Iron Bowl argument? If so, nevermind my post, but I don't feel like going through the five pages of stuff on here anyway.
I was just gonna throw the ole Sweater Vest in the mix. I mean in this time of Ohio State hate nationwide, he managed to nab the #4 recruiting class with the #1 recruit overall, that's pretty solid. He is always a good recruiting but maybe even a better at coaching and turning 2 and 3 star recruits into first round draft picks...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Since:Feb 18, 2008
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So Saban has bad losses in his first years at two schools with other coaches players. Big Whoop.
Look at his record before, say, 2002 when he got lucky to beat Bama and before he started to get some of the best coordinators in the conference. ng, you made both of these posts. In the first one you are saying Sabans issues with losing is because he has other coaches players yet in the second post you are trying to make us all believe that Tubbs is a 7-5 coach at Auburn prior to 2002. Keep in mind, Tubbs came on board in 1999 so wasn't he losing because he has other coaches players?
You can't tear down one and try to make excuses for the other using the same philosophy.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Nov 21, 2006
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Is this an SEC exclusive thing, or and Iron Bowl argument? If so, nevermind my post, but I don't feel like going through the five pages of stuff on here anyway.
Hey osufanatic, watch it. This would be like a Georgia fan stepping in the middle of a Buckeye-Wolverine fight. Down here, the rest of us stay out of this brawl. Its like this all year round. I wouldn't get into this feud with a ten foot pole.
But you are right about Tressell. He has done great job. So has Urban Meyer and Les Miles and Mark Richt and Pete Carroll. But I don't think the Tigers or Tide care right now.
Family feud, Southern Style.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:97
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Since:Sep 4, 2006
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WE, first, I told WER that this was a lost cause since you all werent going to understand anyways wearing that orange and blue.
Second, Tubby had two decent years and two horrible years in those first 4 still to even out at 7-5. The consistency didnt come until his coordinators, until Plane-gate. After that, he has been consistently better, but he is still a 7-5 coach by himself. And nothing you can say will change that.
As far as Tressel, I will give him credit and I dont agree with OSU rising 5 spots in the recruiting rankings after nabbing Pryor, but thats another story. Anyways, my whole point of starting this thread was talking about Saban's tactics for recruiting to make him the smartest recruiter. He may not be the best, but he is up there as far as the best, but I firmly believe that he is the smartest.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 10, 2006
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He got lucky to get to this point and you know it as well as I do. Ole Miss he was just decent and same at Auburn before Plane-gate. How many times has Ole Miss won 9+ games the past 40 years? You are a freaking moron dude. Your answer is 4 times. It has nothing to do with Tuberville. As far as his Auburn resume before 03 it is nothing to be ashamed of. His did great for what we had.
While coaching at a school who got their accreditation on hold for a year and having his players at the middle of two sociology grade controversies in the past 4 years. And dont bring up our stuff, cause thats over and done with and the NCAA punished us way harder than they should have. You dont go almost to the death penalty just for secondary violations. I won't bring it up....but you sure did! Thanks for the reminder your school is just as sleezy....and yes....you are still losing games. I mean it would be one thing if you cheated and won.
Of course that had to be thrown in there. Thats the only thing Auburn has to go on right now, which is quite sad. O, and just to make you happy cause I know you want this to go from a response from a Bama fan to a Bammer response: Bear Bryant. There, have fun with that. Nope...as the mature adults in the room have told you, I was merely pointing out several accomplishments that Tuberville has completed. Six in a row over your rival is wonderful no matter how you spin it. Sorry you are on the crap end of that.
1 in 13 years? Wow, thats amazing. I mean that has never been done before. Look around and tell me what other coach has lasted that long in the SEC and has only 1 SEC title? None. There I saved you some time. Other guy said it best...you had to add Ole Miss in there to make it look worse....Look, the bottom line is no one has won at Ole Miss. They have not won the conference since 1963. They also have never been to the SEC Championship game. All I was saying is that if Tuberville was not respected, he wouldn't have been in the nation's best conference for 13 years. So, to reply to your answer. Yes, I sometimes get frustrated that Tubs has not won more SEC Titles at Auburn, but he has only been at Auburn 9 years....in which he has had a 13 win season, an 11 win season, and four 9 win seasons. We have a good chance to win it this year. I will take two SEC titles in 10 years.
Look around and tell me what other coach has lasted that long in the SEC and has only 1 SEC title? None. There I saved you some time. Jackie Sherrill coached 13 years at Mississipp State. No SEC Title.
Philip Fulmer only has 2 SEC Titles in 16 years at Tennessee. I guess he is a bad coach too.
Houston Nutt will soon join the ranks with Arkansas and Ole Miss.
Gene Stallings only had one SEC Title in 7 years at Bama....which is pretty close to what Tubs is at Auburn.
All good coaches at their respective situations. I am sure there are more. Thanks for looking dumb.
LMAO!!!! This line is about a guy who sticks his hand up in the air like a little 7-yr old girl to represent how many times he has won! And whats even worse is that the whole fan base follows him like they are Hitler's Youth!!! You think thats classy? Please, give me a break. Saban doesnt have to overcompensate about something that bad. Oh yeah...whats worse? Holding up a few fingers to show your fan base you love them...or leaving a multi-million dollar franchise in the dirt, putting dozens of people's jobs and futures at risk? You see...when you stop living in the college world, thinking you know everything, and start making a little money of your own you will learn that what Saban did at Miami was ridiculous to the players, owners, fans and overall employment of the franchise. I am sure you will bring up Tubs at Ole Miss but leaving a college program where they had hardly any future NFL prospects and leaving the Dolphins are two totally different things.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:96
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Since:Aug 10, 2006
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Wow, you are worse than most Bammers. Those guys havent even stepped foot on campus yet, and even YOU are touting them.
Nope. Wrong again....I was just saying no matter how you spin it....Saban lost games to UAB and Louisiana Monroe. It's pathetic....regardless of whose players he had. Sorry. Again, the adults in the room tried to tell you that you are operating on a double standard saying it's okay for Saban to lose in those first years because he had bad players....but god forbid that Tuberville have 30 wins in his first 4 years. I told you a long time ago...you are going to need an extremely talented editor.
The fact of the matter is, you are sitting here making Bama out to be this huge dominant force (but being a little brother, that makes sense because then by beating us, you feel better),Lets not pretend that you wouldn't, and the Alabama faithful would not be happy if they won six in a row over Auburn. It is nothing that should be locked in a room and never mentioned. Georgia is just as proud as their streak over GT right now. There is nothing wrong with enjoying the recent past. I am sorry you can't handle it.
And to answer your question...as we have spoke about many times...Alabama is not, and has not been a dominant force in a long time. The past 25 years we have beat you more than you have beat us. We have one more SEC title than you in this time. We have been to one more bowl than Alabama. We have more wins in the SEC than Alabama. As we all know, should have one national title just like Alabama. There is nothing dominant about Alabama anymore. You call it obsession. I call it logic and common sense. I am sorry this escapes you. I mean, after all....you wouldn't consider Oregon State or Arizona State a dominant force in the PAC would you? Well...this is where Alabama stands currently. Auburn, Georgia, Florida, LSU and Tennessee all have more SEC wins than Alabama the past 25 years. I am sorry this is rocket science to you.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 18, 2006
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Second, Tubby had two decent years and two horrible years in those first 4 still to even out at 7-5. The consistency didnt come until his coordinators, until Plane-gate. After that, he has been consistently better, but he is still a 7-5 coach by himself. And nothing you can say will change that. Petrino was there before JetGate. Try again, ng. You completely neglected my point that Tuberville had to completely restock the cupboards because he had nothing to start with. You're doing this because it's a valid point that any objective person would agree with. You're holding Tuberville to a standard you are not holding Saban to. Nothing you can say will change that.
As for your other post, I was tired of trying to bother with it because you werent getting the point and it was a lost cause, like most threads on here. Ng, you can't lose me on the points you're making here. Your argument isn't that far advanced!
Your gonna sit there and tell me that Auburn game didnt involved luck. That Bama game didnt involve luck. Going 5 of 5 on 4th down against UF doesnt involved luck? In that luck is where skill meets opportunity. It wasn't solely luck in any of those circumstances.
I sense some sarcasm there. Just a little bit. Still didnt tell me what you point was of placing that in there. Sure I did. Go back and read it. You started by 'baiting' AU with Bear Bryant because it was mentioned in a laundry list that AU beat UA 6 in a row.
Thats because it is. None of yall can make an argument concerning Bama without bringing it up, and low and behold it resurfaced. You tell me why Auburn should have any shame in beating their arch-rival 6 years in a row. Objectively. You can't. I've only referenced it in our discussion because you brought it up first!
And that means that I mimic his every move like Auburn does. And where have I rung Auburn's death bell. It sounds like something I would do with pride given the chance, but I do not recall in recent memory doing so. And about discrediting things, what is there to show for it? You have had the best chance to get players in state over the past 5 years for a team who claims not to recruit in-state. To say things havent gone your way due to outside circumstances is wearing those orange and blue glasses proudly. So I should infer you think everything is ok with Auburn football even though you've discredited the coach, called his recruiting processes lazy and more to the point, behind our rivals...alright. If you're not ringing the death knell you're certainly in the bell tower. I don't know if Auburn 'claims not to recruit in-state'. I know that Alabama will always win that battle. You showed the numbers of when Bama was on probation. Still beat Auburn.
In any event the accomplishments I'm talking about would be what we've done on the field. Anything else is prologue.
I know that I've been arguing this whole time objectively. You refuse to see that your own coach is every bit as 'mediocre' as Tuberville is. Saban has proved that he's a better recruiter. Regardless of what you say, Tuberville has proved he's better at taking 'lemons' and making Toomer's lemonade. I'm going to assume your intelligence is up there enough to get that analogy.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:98
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Since:Oct 18, 2006
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FYI, none of my comments are said with anger. I think ng is stubborn as all get out and actually does agree with a lot of what I'm saying but his public pride won't let him. 
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:97
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Since:Apr 1, 2007
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Hey osufanatic, watch it. This would be like a Georgia fan stepping in the middle of a Buckeye-Wolverine fight. Down here, the rest of us stay out of this brawl. Its like this all year round. I wouldn't get into this feud with a ten foot pole.
Agreed, both ways...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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FYI, none of my comments are said with anger. I think ng is stubborn as all get out and actually does agree with a lot of what I'm saying but his public pride won't let him. 
Its more or less a combination of boredom and procrastination to study for exams.
In that luck is where skill meets opportunity. It wasn't solely luck in any of those circumstances.
If you wont call it luck, Im at least calling yalls game against them luck on the fact that that pass should have never been completed and that Lester's partial blindness kicked in at the right time. Also, I will call luck on the JPW fumble against LSU. Either that or karma just because he had being doing so well that game that something was bound to go wrong.
You tell me why Auburn should have any shame in beating their arch-rival 6 years in a row. Objectively. You can't. I've only referenced it in our discussion because you brought it up first!
called his recruiting processes lazy
compared with Nick, yes.
I don't know if Auburn 'claims not to recruit in-state'. I know that Alabama will always win that battle. You showed the numbers of when Bama was on probation. Still beat Auburn.
Thats all I have heard lately, so its either the response to our recruiting class or it might actually be true. The numbers would suggest that it is true, but who knows how long people have been claiming it. And as far as the numbers go, this recruiting season, Bama had 14 of the top 20 in state, Auburn had 2, same as Florida. For 2007, It was Bama 9 Auburn 7. 2006, Auburn 8 Bama 7. 2005, Auburn 7 Bama 6. Basically until Nick got here, Auburn did have an edge in-state. So that claim may not be true, but I have heard it quite often lately. But, there is another angle to look at, that both schools were letting talent get out of state, so maybe Auburn's focus isnt really in state. Who knows, but the numbers dont really suggest that "traditionally" Auburn doesnt do well in state.
Tuberville has proved he's better at taking 'lemons' and making Toomer's lemonade. I'm going to assume your intelligence is up there enough to get that analogy.Yes, is it. You got a chuckle out of it.
Its not the shame, the fact that no Auburn fan can have a conversation/discussion/argument with a Bama fan without bringing it up. Yall have nothing else to fall back on right now. You can pull out your dominance in swimming and diving, but well pull out gymnastics and say youve never beaten us in gymnastics. And truthfully, the Barners on this site wont even try to discuss things because they run and cower behind that little line (there is a difference between Auburn fans and Barners to clarify). Thats all Im saying.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 4, 2006
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Dont know what happened there, but the bottom part goes in between the two consecutive quotes.
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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The smartest recruiter in College Football...
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Reputation:97
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Since:Sep 4, 2006
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Oh yeah...whats worse? Holding up a few fingers to show your fan base you love them...or leaving a multi-million dollar franchise in the dirt, putting dozens of people's jobs and futures at risk? You see...when you stop living in the college world, thinking you know everything, and start making a little money of your own you will learn that what Saban did at Miami was ridiculous to the players, owners, fans and overall employment of the franchise. I am sure you will bring up Tubs at Ole Miss but leaving a college program where they had hardly any future NFL prospects and leaving the Dolphins are two totally different things.
Ok Barner boy, first, about the whole "talented editor" comment, I wont have to deal with a Barner in my midst, so its a lot easier to write objectively when yall arent around. Second, you are comparing on the filed demeanor to off the the field demeanor. There is a difference. Also, its not showing his fan base, he did it going into the locker room las time he visited BDS and took a victory lap around our field. Planting your flag in our field. Having a University funded organization outwardly mock another school. And thats classy? That shows respect to your opponent? Yea, no denying that you are a Barner now. Third, by the time he left Ole Miss "in a pine box", they were all his recruits, so he is the one to blame if there are no NFL prospects at Ole Miss. Fourth, thats still no reason to up and leave a team. O, no NFL players, might as well leave. Saban CAME to Alabama where there were, apparently, no NFL prospects. Fifth, Saban told owner Wayne Huizenga that he was coming back to college and going to take the Alabama job. Sure, and he has admitted this, that he handled his asst. coaches the wrong way, but if thats not what he wanted to do, why stick with it? I think "those of you in adult world" would agree not to continue to do something that your heart isnt in. Yea, I have zero grasp of reality. Give me a break. Those Orange and Blue glasses are working pretty well here today for you.
Saban lost games to UAB and Louisiana Monroe. It's pathetic....regardless of whose players he had. Sorry. Again, the adults in the room tried to tell you that you are | |
