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The trade that did not happen


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May 9, 2008 5:53 pm

What would you trade for Brian Roberts now? It's usually not fair to judge a trade only in 20-20 hindsight. But what about a trade that didn't get made?<!--dropend-->

Barely six weeks after the Baltimore Orioles publicly declared talks of a trade of their leadoff hitter to the Cubs dead, the Cubs still aren't getting anything from their leadoff spot. But that doesn't mean a deal for Roberts would've put them in any better position through 34 games than they're in now.

And not that it would've made any difference to the Orioles back then, but how would the deal have looked to either side if it could've known how many of the players the Cubs appeared willing to deal -- and how the so-called untouchables -- would look nearly a quarter of the way into the season?

Roberts, who entered the season with a .377 on-base percentage, was hitting only .263 with a .353 OBP entering play Thursday night -- and was 18-for-80 (.225) since he stood at .327 with a .411 on-base percentage 13 games into the season.

No doubt he'll be fine and his numbers will even out over the long season, but he's slumping so badly right now -- 4 for his last 27 -- that he'd fit right in with his could-have-been Cubs mates. Especially in that yet-to-produce Cubs leadoff spot that ranks last in the majors in batting (.194) and on-base percentage (.262).

Meanwhile, some of the guys most prominently mentioned in the talks on the Cubs' side are making significant contributions or are on strong tracks in the minors.

That includes, perhaps most impressive, Ronny Cedeno, who had a huge April for the Cubs, helping cover for the two-week absence of Alfonso Soriano, in part of a domino effect that took Mark DeRosa off second base. Cedeno is hitting .345 with a .429 on-base percentage, has 18 RBI and might get a chance to earn more regular playing time as manager Lou Piniella tries to shake more production -- and fielding results -- from his lineup.

The guy whose name came up as part of every potential package for Roberts, pitcher Sean Gallagher, pitched so well at Class AAA Iowa in five starts (2-2, 3.10 ERA, .196 opponents' average) that he was called up to take demoted Rich Hill's place on the roster last weekend.

Now Gallagher and lefty Sean Marshall -- whose name was in and out of the Roberts rumor mill all winter and spring -- are considered part of the Cubs' much-needed starting depth and options for replacing more veteran guys who are scuffling.

On top of that, Marshall has been invaluable in a converted lefty short-relief role after rookie Carmen Pignatiello stumbled out of the gate and as the team awaits the return of Scott Eyre this weekend.

And even Class AA pitcher Donnie Veal is 2-1 with a 2.67 ERA at Tennessee as he continues his rise through the system.

As for the untouchables, Hill is at Iowa trying to earn a return trip to the rotation after falling hard from high expectations entering the season. Outfielder Felix Pie is on the verge of a similar fate if he can't turn a corner quickly. And even touted outfield prospect Tyler Colvin is struggling (.225) at Tennessee.

In retrospect, would you have included Hill in the deal to get Roberts -- not that the Cubs would, even in hindsight? And would the Cubs even be better off right now with Roberts if they'd given up some of the players they talked about?

Give it another six weeks, and the answers might change again.

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May 9, 2008 8:50 pm
Even with his .353 OB% Roberts would be an upgrade over any of their lead off hitters. But I also think he would be a better hitter in the NL. Look at Tejada.

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May 9, 2008 9:03 pm
I agree X.  Especially playing in those hitter's parks in the NL Central.  Chicago, Milwaukee, Houston, St. Louis, and Pittsburgh. 

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May 9, 2008 9:04 pm
Plus, I was saying all winter i wanted to get Ronny Cedeno.  All he needed was a chance to play and another year to mature. 

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May 10, 2008 11:05 am
The flip side is, how inflated are Cedeno's numbers hitting in all those hitter-friendly parks you speak of?  Would he have done so well in Baltimore?  Who would be hitting leadoff for us right now?  As good as Gallagher and Marshall have been, where would they fit in to what we've got going?  Maybe Gallagher could've replaced Trachsel by now, like he replaced Rich Hill, but I feel like if we were going to replace Trachsel we'd have done it with Albers or Johnson by now.

I don't know, I kind of think both teams were helped out by not making that deal.  There are a lot fo questions about it, though, because so many players came up in the talks.

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May 10, 2008 11:52 pm

Great post Jazz... There's no tellin how things will look in another 6 weeks, but I like how it looks now. Maybe in 6 more weeks we'll be looking to make a move for a playoff run!! LoL, I know I'm losin' it, but I'm also luvvin' it.

WAR O's!!


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May 11, 2008 1:48 am
Even with his .353 OB% Roberts would be an upgrade over any of their lead off hitters. But I also think he would be a better hitter in the NL. Look at Tejada.

Tejada is just doing good cuz hes on a new team, he did the same thing the first two years he started for us...

i mean most of the best pitchers are in the NL, how could hitters do better?

i think its stupid to trade him....hes only 30 and thats still young in baseball.....With Markakis still young, Adam Jones, Matt Weiters will replace Ramon in a year or two, and all our young pitchers, we will/should be great in 2 years...

im (as im sure everyone else is) surprised that we are doing so good, this should have been a year of getting experience, but its double the plesure....we are getting experience and also getting the confidence that we need to be a contender...

i cant wait untill 2010


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May 11, 2008 2:22 am
I still desperately hope that the Orioles' learning curve shrinks and they're made into a team of which Brian Roberts still wants to be a part. He isn't the kind of player that will burn out. He's the kind that every team would love to have. As far as I'm concerned, this trade can take its sweet time.


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May 11, 2008 2:54 am
Luckily, the injury to Roberts doesn't appear to be serious. It's a bruised left foot from what I can tell. Honestly, if George Sherril can keep this up, we're going to get a nice bounty for him especially if he is packaged with another player. The Cardinals come to mind as a team that might be interested in a closer. If we can get a package similar to one we would expect from Roberts without trading him, keeping him would sound like a better idea. I think we need to get one more bounty of talent to land some minor league depth at second base and maybe even get a starting shortstop. A young catcher is a passing thought as well as doing that solves our power problem at first base for the future because Weiters can move over there. We still have Quiroz, but getting a back up plan wouldn't hurt.

Of course, Roberts has to want to stay first. If not and we still trade Sherrill and some other guys (not named DC) as well as Brian, we could double what we got from Tejada and Bedard. I can only imagine how our farm system and major league roster would look after those returns came in. Even after all that, there's still the offseason. I get giddy just thinking about the possibilities

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May 11, 2008 9:41 am

I think if a team wants Sherrill, they will get him to be a lefty specialist like Jaime Walker. Current players on Trading block......


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May 11, 2008 1:50 pm
Ya know, I don't think so DR. If Sherrill continues to have success as a closer, he will probably be shopped as such. Saves up his value and there will always be a team in need of a closer. I still don't think we should trade Millar and I am starting to think the same of Huff, but that could go either way I suppose.

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May 11, 2008 2:57 pm

Huff I would like to trade more than Millar because A) Millar is a good clubhouse guy, a guy every team needs and B) Huff costs $6M more than Millar does.

I could see Sherrill be a closer on certain teams, but other teams he may be used in a lefty specialist role or a normal 1-inning role. It really depends on who he goes to.


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