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SAS, skid...Are you guys for real? Brady Quinn has absolutely NO experience! There is no way that you can intelligently argue that "when you break down the depth we have, no team in the NFL can compare." This is just plain silly! There is no evidence that Brady Quinn can handle the pressure of playing in the NFL, that is NOT a desirable or enviable position for any team with an established starting QB to be in.
I'm sorry, but I don't even know how to argue with you about this without being completely flabergasted by the idea that the Browns QB situation could be one of envy for teams like the Colts, Pats or Steelers! The Browns have nothing but uncertainty at the position and somehow you think that is a strength! It's mind boggling!
I'm glad you have such faith in your unproven second year player, but until he plays a game or two, he is nothing more than gmiller in a helmet! lol. Sorry g, just making a point.
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SAS, skid...Are you guys for real? Brady Quinn has absolutely NO experience! There is no way that you can intelligently argue that "when you break down the depth we have, no team in the NFL can compare." This is just plain silly! There is no evidence that Brady Quinn can handle the pressure of playing in the NFL, that is NOT a desirable or enviable position for any team with an established starting QB to be in.
I'm sorry, but I don't even know how to argue with you about this without being completely flabergasted by the idea that the Browns QB situation could be one of envy for teams like the Colts, Pats or Steelers! The Browns have nothing but uncertainty at the position and somehow you think that is a strength! It's mind boggling!
I'm glad you have such faith in your unproven second year player, but until he plays a game or two, he is nothing more than gmiller in a helmet! lol. Sorry g, just making a point.
Mano,
What you have to understand is that it has to do with both confidence in Quinn, and the system itself. The Browns have built a solid offensive line, who provide great blocking for the QB. They also have great depth and ability at WR, which give the QB a good target (even if they are bad passes...look at some of Andersons). If you remember the last game versus San Fran, when Quinn played a series, he made the passess, they were simply dropped the majority of the time.
Only time will tell how truly great Quinn will be. I am just saying we are better off than other teams in the NFL. And, if you cannot understand why we feel this way listen to NFL analysts! I have seen shows (sorry I don't have links), like Mike & Mike, who always says the Browns have the BEST QB circumstances of any NFL team.
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Both of you are correct.
Mano loves Big Ben as he should. He has already given them a Super Bowl. He manages the game extremely well as is very smart (because he is from Ohio. lol) But where are the Steelers when Big Ben gets into another motorcycle accident or he has another physical ailment?
Brownskidmark is thinking the same way I do. Yes mano Quinn has not proven himself in the NFL but he exibits many of the same attributes as your Big Ben. He is physical and very intelligent (probably again b/c he is from Ohio. lol). These are the right ingredients for being a successful QB in this league.
Going back to earlier Mano when you stired up the pot I would honestly (and I know you will disagree and probably say how flabergasted you are and maybe even call me an idiot but) call this even. There were 62 starting QB's in the league last year. That is proof that you almost "need" two quality QB's in this physical league, especially in the AFC North with our schedules this year. I know Quinn could be another Couch but I really think he will be great and it is only a matter of time.
Additionally, mano I think you are flat out wrong about there being uncertainty at the QB position. Crennel and Savage have made it crystal clear that there is no QB controversey. Anderson is the starter and Quinn is the backup. Anderson and Quinn already both know what to expect. To me that is not uncertainty.
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Oh lyman...you bastard! lol. I just knew you were going to do this to me! lol
Alright, touche, I'm a fraud!!!
Boy, did this thread get boring overnight! lol.
That's because there weren't any Bastards or Frauds on here! LOL. Had fun messing with you Mano. You're still one of the top Steelers fan in my book. Some of our Browns fans could learn a thing or two from you (except that Pittsburgh is allways right).
See what you did lyman? You came in, tried to stir the pot, and it backfired! Now everyone is getting along beautifully! Even beachbum has made some friends...isn't it wonderful?
It's a bloody MIRACLE ! ! ! Now if I could just do something about the Hatfields and McCoys, errr GMiller and DK . . .
Got another question for you though, Mano. If Ben, FWP and Hines Ward (in my opinion STILL your best receiver) played for, say the Dolphins or the 49ers, would they still be able to produce in the manner they they do for the Steelers? I am still of the impression that offensive success in the NFL is a direct reflection of how good the O-Line is. Would you agree with this ? ? ? LOL
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Mano,
You're absolutely correct in that Quinn hasn't proven a thing, but you can't have it both ways. In your analysis you've considered other players (none starters, new acquisitions and unproven rookies) as a basis for your assessment. For example, if you disregarded Mendenhall I'm not sure I would agree that the Steelers have the edge at the RB position. I just think you need to apply the same logic to all positions.
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What you have to understand is that it has to do with both confidence in Quinn, and the system itself. The Browns have built a solid offensive line, who provide great blocking for the QB. They also have great depth and ability at WR, which give the QB a good target (even if they are bad passes...look at some of Andersons). Gotta jump in here.. this is the same system in whick Frye bombed so badly.. Guess the Steelers need Dixon to come in and light up some preseason prevent defense and then we can talk about our outstanding QB depth..
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Got another question for you though, Mano. If Ben, FWP and Hines Ward (in my opinion STILL your best receiver) played for, say the Dolphins or the 49ers, would they still be able to produce in the manner they they do for the Steelers? Hmmm think Alex Smith, Gore and Battle would do better on the Steelers? Or you think the Steelers would be better then them..?
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First, I believe the "uncertainty at the QB position" that Mano referred to was the giant question mark that is Brady Quinn, not uncertainty as to who is the starter and who rides the bench.
Second, I completely agree with Mano and think that many Browns fans are too blindly optimistic about Quinn. Again, he hasn | |
