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Wow, how come 8, I said 8, more tapes of the Pats cheating, including against the Steelers in the 2002 AFC Championship Game, is not getting more press?? Their super bowls are now tainted. They are cheaters. And when the NFL crackmed down, they choked in the super bowl. Belichick is cheater and should be suspended for a year and the Pats lose their first round pick for the next 8 years, one year for every tape. Watch the NFL cover their own butts and quash these tapes quick.
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To me it's a joke that a team did something like this. Especially what they did against the Rams. I've heard Pats fans say it's no big deal blah blah blah. How can they say that? The game is real easy when you know all the formations and plays that are run out of it. It will be interested to see just how good this Pats D now that they don't know whats coming.
I hope this year the Jets not only against the Pats but every team run so many sets it's impossible to get an edge. We have such diverse talent we can run so many sets I just hope it happens. Schotty tended to lean toward conservative play calling. It could be just that the O-line was so bad he had too. We'll see this year if he mixes it up.
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It just shows the true stupidity of New England fans, your team is a bunch of cheaters that should be kicked out of the league for what they did. Last time I checked you cant video tape the coaches that are giving signals. Belicheat is a a-hole and Brady is a crybaby b**ch. I loved it when they choked in the Super Bowl, and Brady was crying even more. 18-1*
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And we're supposed to believe that after 2001 there were no more tapes made. Give me a break, he doesn't get caught at it till 2 yearss ago ,but Walsh has now turned over tapes that end with a ploay off game in 2001. So who does have the the tapes of the Rams practice, we all know it exists, Goodell knows it ,everyone knows it. Someone either got paid very well or somehow Belicheat got his mits on iyt just in time .I'm thinking thaty Walsh is telling the truth about his tapes, he wasn't the only camera man out there working for Belichik, thats just too easy. This is the kind of man who will have tapes taken from every possible angle, audio and video. you don't think he had bugs in the locker rooms of opposing teams listening in/ I sure do, he is just a pure cheater, and the true shame is he is a great coach and none of this was neccesary, maybe he wouldn't have won all the games but he still would have won plenty. To me it just shows the real filthy underbelly of this industry and the win at all costs attitude some coaches take. I truly wonder what a real in depth physch profile of him would turn up?
It's just so sad that the game we love the most gets this sort of poisen surrounding it forever now. Let him keep his trophy's and SB rings, as he sits in his darkened room after his career is over and holds them and cherishes them. He reminds so much of Gollum. The new version will have Belichik sitting on a rock in a lake cooing over "My Precious" Sad thing.
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Good analogy of belichick Rogusey. LOL
There probably wont be any clear cut end to this spygate mess, and thus no removal of any asterisks in many football fans minds. Too bad Belichick has brought shame onto the game many people love.
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I'll admit that I liked it when the Pats won Superbowl 36 as the underdog. Back then, the Rams seemed to be the "evil empire" team by running-up it's scores with "the greatest show on turf" - Warner, Faulk, Holt, etc. and another a-hole *Mike Martz* as head coach (remember the BS onside kick against the Jets?). But damn if these big upsets don't seem pretty suspicious now. The Patriots have certainly had their share of great players over these last several years, and they deserve credit for having coming thru in the big games - if only the Panthers had pulled it out in SB 38!! But I think there will always be a taint on these victories for anyone who isn't a diehard New England fan.
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As much as I love the daily reminder of how the Patriots are pretty much the laughing stock of football, I really hope this is the end of it...I'm seriously tired of hearing about them and their cheating ways...We all know they couldn't have won those Super Bowls without cheating...I mean look what happened this year!! Can't tape the final walkthrough and they choke and lose the SB...
The 2007 Patriots will go down as the BIGGEST CHOKE ARTISTS ever and I'm fine with that...Lets hope that this is the final time we hear of spygate!!!
I mean 18-1 sounds amazing to me!!!
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Oh yea...
Didn't the Patriots go 19-0 in Cambodia or some third world country???
Hahahaha!!! At least the shirts did serve some good purpose!!!
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This is a joke right? When were the Pats caught? They were caught the 1st game of the season if I remember correctly. If i also remember correctly, they won 17 more games after that. 17-1 without cheating is usually good enough to win a SB. Are we all so naive to think that everyone other than Billy boy is innocent? Every coach uses whatever they can to gain an edge over an opponent. Most of the times, they probably bend the rules in their favor. Where Bill went wrong, was getting caught. If you ask me, he just isn't that stealthy. He should go back sniper training, and learn how to blend in with everyone else. The Pats seemed to do pretty well, even without their tapes. If you think that is the only reason they won their SBs, then you are sadly mistaken.
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It's not as much that they cheated, but the fact that they had the chutzpah to hold themselves up as the "model franchise" while cheating. They were a team who played simply for the love of the game, the desire for victory, cared very little about salary, and would never brag about success and thus, the good Lord blessed them with victory. Now, they're shown to be who they are, cheaters and liars. Now, I'm not one who thinks that all their wins were stolen; I do think the Patriots were a talented enough team all these years to win without cheating, but the fact that they did cheat, as the thread title says, taints their wins. Pats fans will never admit that though; their too busy trying to find any evidence that the Jets did something out of the ordinary or that the Giants cheated in the last Super Bowl. Like I've said before, according to Pats fans, the Patriots have technically won every Super Bowl since the beginning, they've just been screwed over by some dark conspiracy in all but 3 seasons.
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Really? I never looked at the Pats as more than a fierce rival. When I thought of football, I didn't automatically think of the Pats. This benevolent aura you say surrounded them didn't exist. Bill was never more than a defensive genius. The team was never more than talented group, led by an amazing QB in Brady. It doesn't seem like they are bragging much about their success these days. I am not saying they didn't cheat, just that everyone cheats, and they are the only ones that got caught. That's what happens when one of your coaches goes off to coach another team. They take their secrets with them. The Jets and Giants probably do cheat, and if Pats fans find it, congratulations. They officially would have no life.
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Kudos GangGreenMag for being an informed and objective fan of your team.
I guess I can't say much for some of your other Jets followers on this thread.
Insult-Phreshman, No matter how much you want to taint the Pats, the reality is you're jealous of their success. And like many people without substance, you prefer to backstab and snipe rather than stand on your own merits. So now you may tell me to get off the Jets board.... LMAO
Bigtime Jersey and NY Finest... Get your facts straight. There has never been any evidence supporting the Pats taped any walk throughs. They violated a rule. Are you telling me the Jets have never done the same? I can think of a number of them off the top of my head.
PLR Rogues and green-blood, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".... The Jets aren't Saints. Plus, if you want to claim Belichick is a cheater, then how about Mangini. He was a part of the staff for much of that time. And what about the allegations Brian Billick made against Mangini this year? I don't see you condemning Shanahan and Johnson for their admissions to cheating? Where are their asterisks and taint talk? You only want to attack the Pats because they are a major rival for you.
Why don't you try just giving this whole thing a rest. Most of the world has moved on...
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All's this from a guy who dressed his man friend in lipstick, bunny ears, tattoos, and an eye patch. Can we rerally take you serious with that avatar?? God knows what really goes on in your mom's basement!!!
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Insult-Phreshman,
Obviously since you have a USA Hockey avatar, you must be a member of the team. LOL Am I to take you serious?
At least I have reason and fact on my side. Nice attempt at dodging those.
So how does it feel that Walsh has no smoking gun like you were wishing? How does it feel finding out that the tapes Walsh made were never handed over for use until post editing and included the second half of games -- which means, they weren't used during the game to gain benefit. They were used to assess tendencies as part of an archive on opposing coaches.
Why is the Boston Herald apologizing for their story? Hint: Because it was a fabrication about filming walk-throughs. Now, they are about to face a major defamation suit from the Patriots organization in which they will likely lose millions.
So talk all you want, but as they say: "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt...."
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Insult-Phreshman,
Obviously since you have a USA Hockey avatar, you must be a member of the team. LOL Am I to take you serious?
At least I have reason and fact on my side. Nice attempt at dodging those.
So how does it feel that Walsh has no smoking gun like you were wishing? How does it feel finding out that the tapes Walsh made were never handed over for use until post editing and included the second half of games -- which means, they weren't used during the game to gain benefit. They were used to assess tendencies as part of an archive on opposing coaches.
Why is the Boston Herald apologizing for their story? Hint: Because it was a fabrication about filming walk-throughs. Now, they are about to face a major defamation suit from the Patriots organization in which they will likely lose millions.
So talk all you want, but as they say: "It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear the fool, than to open it and remove all doubt...."
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