What about all the tapes of the Eagles cheating

What about all the tapes of the Eagles cheating -
justwatchit Reputation:84 Level:All-Star Since:Feb 19, 2008
	May 14, 2008 2:03 pm Score: 85
	If Specter really wants to investigate what cheating is, he should start with the tapes of his own team. EVERY single game the Eagles have been caught cheating. Every time one of their players is caught off-sides - they are cheating. Every time one of the players holds another player to prevent a pass being complete - they are cheating. Every time they interfere with another player - they are cheating. The fact is that every team in the league CHEATS on a regular basis. Some times they get caught, and other times they don't. What happens when they got caught - they get penalized. After the penalty, what happens? Nothing, it's over and done with. Did the Patriots "Cheat"? yes they did (and according to most of the experts, all the teams did the same thing, only the Pats got caught). Did they get penalized? Yes they did (one of the largest fines ever in the NFL, plus losing a 1st round draft pick). DId what they do, affect the game? According to most experts (former and current coaches), not at all. In fact, unlike most teams when they cheat (off-sides, holding, late hit...), what the Patriots did was mild in comparison. In other words, taping another team get ready for a game has a whole lot less affect, then holding a player who is about to catch a TD. SO, I think what Specter should do, starting with the Eagles, is review all the tapes from the past 10 years or so, and anytime someone is caught cheating, that should automatically negate that team from winning that game. After all, fair is fair, and cheating is cheating, no matter what form it takes.
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What about all the tapes of the Eagles cheating -
orangecrush Reputation:91 Level:All-Star Since:Aug 16, 2006
	May 14, 2008 8:33 pm Score: 82
	first, who cares if the Eagles are cheating? they haven't won anything of any importance so who cares? second, every team cheats? offsides? illegal procedure? are you serious? good LORD you need help son. you're the baby who gets a speeding ticket and they cries that everybody speeds; why am i'm i being singled out? grow up! third, opinions will clearly differ on the adequacy of the punishment. mostly patriot fans will say enough already. but who are they to say? until we know the full extent of the violations, if any (and it appears we don't; hence the apparent need for further investigation), who's to say the punishment (to date) fits the crime. finally, offsides, etc. is cheating--sort of. if you cheat you get punished. if you are offsides, there are immediate sanctions (assuming the refs catch it), here loss of 5-yards and re-do the play. that's it. we all know the penalties in the nfl but what is the "penalty" for illegally videotaping the opponent? automatic forteiture? nobody knows because it hasn't happed until now. if there were violations--camera's illegally on the sidelines--there needs to be consequences, too. if this is found to be true, the Patriots need to be properly punished to prevent them and others from wanting to engage in illegal activity, which, my friends, is the point of this exercise.
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What about all the tapes of the Eagles cheating -
Timmy6363 Reputation:89 Level:All-Star Since:Jan 11, 2008
	May 14, 2008 9:00 pm Score: 91
	I hate the Patriots a lot but I think the blame should go to the league for this being dragged out so much, not the press or the Patriots. I think the league screwed this up really badly and should fess up to their mistakes. The difference between the offsides penalty in an Eagles game and the Patriots' actions is that when the Eagles are offsides, the ref explains exactly what happened and what the punishment for that rule is, and you can watch the tape for yourself and read the rule book all you want to. If it's a bad enough call the team who got screwed will complain to the league and the league has actually, if the play was a big enough deal, said publicly if they screwed up or not. You might not like that offsides is only 5 yards but it's all agreed upon in advance and there for everyone to see. The Patriots were caught doing something that doesn't have a pre-determined penalty tied to it (which complicates things), but most importantly for the angry fans, there was zero transparency. Fans want to know if justice was served with that punishment but the league is actively preventing fans from finding out, which is fueling all this crazy speculation. It would be like a ref making a controversial call in a game and then burning the replay tape before anyone can see it for themselves and telling everyone that there was nothing on that tape worth seeing. Stupid move, Goddell. Now the suspicion will always be there because of the way they handled it. Why did the league show the Matt Walsh tapes but not the first batch of tapes? The only explanations are that either Goddell is hiding something or he screwed up and so far he's not man enough to admit a mistake. If Goddell admitted that he made a mistake in burning the first tapes and fully explaining what the Patriots did would pretty much end this issue. He's the freakin' commissioner and he is acting like he's in the CIA or something. Crazy.
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justwatchit Reputation:84 Level:All-Star Since:Feb 19, 2008
	May 14, 2008 9:05 pm Score: 81
	"First, who cares if the Eagles are cheating? they haven't won anything of any importance so who cares? second, every team cheats? offsides? illegal procedure? are you serious? good LORD you need help son. you're the baby who gets a speeding ticket and they cries that everybody speeds; why am i'm i being singled out? grow up! third, opinions will clearly differ on the adequacy of the punishment. mostly patriot fans will say enough already. but who are they to say? until we know the full extent of the violations, if any (and it appears we don't; hence the apparent need for further investigation), who's to say the punishment (to date) fits the crime. finally, offsides, etc. is cheating--sort of. if you cheat you get punished. if you are offsides, there are immediate sanctions (assuming the refs catch it), here loss of 5-yards and re-do the play. that's it. we all know the penalties in the nfl but what is the "penalty" for illegally videotaping the opponent? automatic forteiture? nobody knows because it hasn't happed until now. if there were violations--camera's illegally on the sidelines--there needs to be consequences, too. if this is found to be true, the Patriots need to be properly punished to prevent them and others from wanting to engage in illegal activity, which, my friends, is the point of this exercise. " OK, let's go over this slowly, so that perhaps even you can understand. First of all I used the Eagles as the example, because that is Specter's team, and that is one of the main reasons he's on this witch hunt. Secondly, YES, every team does cheat. Breaking the rules is cheating. You might not like to call it that, but what you like means beans. breaking the rules is CHEATING. And when a player interferes, goes offsides, etc... he is BREAKING the RULES of the game. He is trying to give his team an unfair advantage. THEREFORE he is CHEATING, and the fact that he gets penalized PROVES that he is cheating. As to my crying about a speeding ticket, not quite. If I get caught speeding, I deserve the ticket, even if everyone else is doing it. But once I get the ticket, and pay for it, it's a done deal. You, on the other hand, want to see me pay the ticket, and then later, you want me to give up my car, even though the judge has already set the penalty, and I've already paid it. Do I think it's fair that I'm the only one getting a ticket, not really, but tough beans to me, I broke the law, and I deserve to pay the penalty. Thirdly, who's to say that the punishment fits the crime? Well, how about the head of the NFL? I think he has more of a right than you or any other biased Pats hater to decide the punishment for the crime. Again, you might not like it, but again, tough beans. Finally, you actually said something that is almost intelligent. In the NFL, if you cheat, there is a consequence. Whether it be a five yard penalty, a player getting benched for a couple of games, or a 500,000 fine and the loss of a draft pick. Once the penalty is determined and enforced that settles it. As to it never happening before, you might want to wake up and smell life there Guido. Yes it has happened before, it's happened a lot before. It has never been enforced before, but it most certainly has happened before. Again, you might not want to accept that, and once again, tough beans. Both current and former head coaches have admitted to doing the same exact thing, they just weren't caught for doing it. Plus, these same coaches are the ones who have said that what the Pats did was useless, that it wasn't going to change the game one bit. Now, do you understand, or is your bias clouding your judgement?
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