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Have a safe/good weekend everyone!
Oh yeah... Go REDS!!! &nbs p;
(and I know the Indians are in 1st and the Reds are in last) 
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anddd... I'd rather have Parker and Mendenhall over Lewis and I'd rather have Miller over Kfed I mean K2 or whatever you call him... But I'd rather the Browns beat the Steelers 10 out of 10 times unless the Steelers can put the Bengals in the Playoffs with a win over the Browns..
Have a great weekend again to all!
GO REDS!
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If you have free time this weekend and want to see a great movie go rent Boondock Saints!
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Hey everyone just checking in I havent been here for a while. I didnt read everything I missed, because well theres just too much. But I did catch mano saying I have a weak arm, which we all discuss and have 4 pages of posts on. And yes me and mano go way back. Also, our "snapper" is better than any "snapper "coming from Pittsburgh Im sure. Winslow is the man. You can keep Miller. (although he was on my fantasy team this year!) And basically Go Browns.
Oh I actually agree with DK about something. Boondock Saints is an AWESOME movie. Check it out and of course my motto......OTWT
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Mano – I’m shocked. You didn’t bring up Hoya’s website. It has Davenport with a substantially higher DPAR than Parker. However I think Parker is an immeasurably better back. If you look at Parker and Lewis’ stats during the last 4 years they are remarkably close. Of course the Steelers during that time has put more emphasis on the run vice the Ravens where Lewis has spent that last 3 of 4 years. Parker is the shiftier runner, whereas Lewis though shifty in his own right is considered more of a power back. Both hit the hole in a dead heat. IMO Lewis and Bettis are similar style and ability runners. Both may actually make it to the HOF. Parker though a good back is no where near Bettis or Lewis, especially when viewed from a career longevity/productivity viewpoint. Do you honestly think that Parker’s frame could hold up to the NFL pounding for 5 more years and be as good as Jamal is? He’s already showing signs of wear. Jamal has withstood all that and is still one of the top rushers in the league. That’s why I think the Steelers picked Mendenhall. Mendenhall could easily bulk up to 225lbs and be your future Bettis. Parker on the other hand I believe could be either the #2 back or be gone in 2-3 years.
As for longsnapper, I think Warren could give Pontbriand a run for his money and could eventually be one of the tops in the league. However he only has two years as a body of work. Pointbriand has 5years with the same degree of perfection and clearly has had more work, basically because the Browns have had poor teams and were punting frequently. He’s as reliable and automatic a they come.
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Mano, to be completely honest, I remember Warren snapping one directly into someone's leg (perhaps Morey) in punt formation during a MNF game a few years back. Miscommunication as Morey, lined up behind the line as a free blocker, was calling signals to the cover guys out wide and he stepped into the path of the snap right as Warren sent it back. I think the Steelers had to just dive on the ball and turn it over on downs. JV stuff like that keeps you on the mainland for the weekend after the Super Bowl.
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g - welcome back. you and Mano have me cracking up with the my snapper is better than your snapper bit. It sounds absoutely sordid.
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dawgdaze, I'll be your huckleberry:
QB - Ben.
RB - Tough call, at least if you're considering both guys over their entire career. It's tough to compare such different styles (refer to the Miller/K2 debates), but I'd pick Parker. Lewis was an absolute force with Baltimore in years past, but he doesn't have any breakaway speed (except against Browns DBs) and really needs the line to open enough of a hole for him to gain momentum, otherwise he's easy to bring down in the backfield. Parker's stats are overrated (he had a ton of carries last two seasons), but he's still underrated as a runner (if that's possible). He's tougher than many assume and can be an every-down and goalline back. At this point in both of their careers, I'd definitely take Parker.
FB - You can make a strong argument for Dan Kreider over Vickers, but it's tough to rate FBs. Since most of their impact is displayed in team running stats (neither is a rushing/receiving threat himself), you'd have to pick Kreider over Vickers by virtue of the Steelers consistently putting up top 5 rushing numbers and Cleveland typically being in the 20s in team rushing (although #10 last season, so improving).
WR - I'll give you Edwards and Ward (though you can make an argument to replace Ward with San Antonio, but Ward compliments a WR like Edwards better).
TE - I don't think we need to touch this debate again -- it comes down to personal preference. If you prefer good fantasy numbers from a prima donna who holds out of offseason practices, you go with K2. If you prefer an unselfish, dedicated, efficient TE and prefer winning games in general, you go with Miller. ;)
OL - I'll admit that I'm not an O-line aficianado, but Thomas, Steinbach and Fraley are pretty solid. I don't know a thing about Tucker. The Steelers line has been changing, so I can understand only having 1 or 2 reps from Pittsburgh coming into this season. As far as our best guy, though, I'd take Marvel Smith over Willie Colon in a heartbeat...and Smith has experience at RT, if you want to keep this "team" locked in by true position.
Defense - No major arguments here -- even though I'm not sold on Rogers just yet, I don't know that Diesel Keisel (as much as I love the guy) would replace him. I guarantee you that I wouldn't put Anthony Smith above any guy on your list.
Longsnapper - Nice try. Warren.
Have a great weekend everyone -- remember, only 16 more weeks until we can actually back up this talk with hard data!
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If you prefer good fantasy numbers from a prima donna who holds out of offseason practices, you go with K2.
That has nothing to do with how they perform on the field. Kellen Winslow is the better talent on the field so I go with him.
If you prefer an unselfish, dedicated, efficient TE and prefer winning games in general, you go with Miller. ;)
He wants more money, but we all do. If Heath Miller is evr good enough to put him in a postition to hold out, you better bet he will. Other than that K2 has shown as much dedication as any player in the league. Most people and many of you Steeler fans said he'd never come back and be this good. It took alot of hard work and dedication to get back to where he is today. K2 is just as efficient and has also been a winner everywhere he goes, so I feel we will win with him and K2 pretty much fits all the above statements you said of Miller.
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I don't think anyone would question that Lewis has had the better overall career, but if I were looking to sign one right now, all things being equal, it would be Parker...and I bet most of you Browns fans, if you were being honest, would say the same. There is a lot more mileage on Lewis' wheels than on Parker's. FWP's best years are still ahead of him and JL's are slowly fading into the rearview mirror. I know Willie is a bit on the small side, but have you seen the kid? He's stacked. I don't worry about his body breaking down as long as he doesn't have to carry the ball 350 times a year, which he won't have to do now.
gmonumentallyslow21...we both know that you throw like a girl...its okay...nobody holds it against you! lol. I'm sure you are a better runner than thrower, what with those good genes from your momma and all...
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Hoya, Are you related to Kreider? He's okay as a run blocker, but not a great pass blocker. He's better than Parker at pass blocking, but then so is Davenport. Vickers has only been starting for 1 year and has proven he can do both run and pass blocking well. IMO the Bowns O-line gets a lot of kudos (which they derserve) but both Lewis and Vickers deserve a lot of credit as well. Bring up runnign history of 5 years doesn't make sense. O-lines on both teams have changed. As for Parker, I don't need to repost here, but lets say there's more to RB than running and catching the football, especially when your entrusted to protect your QB. Warren is a good LS, but is he pro-bowl caliber? Lets wait a couple years and see. Pontbriand is, so I have to go with gmiller's comment " my snapper is better than your snapper".
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FOT,
I will concede that K2 has not preformed against Pitt and therefore the average steeler fan has not seen how good he is. This is due to 2 factors.
1. Troy Poly long hair is one of the best safeties in the league. I stated there is not a linebacker in the league that can cover K2 and very few safeties in the league that can stay with him. TP is one of the safeties that can.
2. QB play--your pass rush has destroyed Frye in the first 3 attempts, DA was off his game in the last attempt.
Your list was pretty homerish hoya. Your list reflects that you never watch the Browns unless they are playing the Steelers. I will watch the Steelers if the Browns aren't on because they are always playing my second favorite team.
According to you the Squeelers are better at every single position with the exception of Braylon Edwards and 3 lineman.
Offense
QB- Benny boy--but like i said like 8 pages ago this could get interesting if DA develops a little more or if DA flops and Quinn comes in and lights it up. I would say Ben is in his prime and not going to get better. The same is not true for DA, and they both made the probowl.
WR 1 - B Ed
WR2 - Holmes (i want a deep threat to take pressure off B Ed, not someone who will cheap shot a linebacker or a safety who will in turn lay a cheap shot on one of our players)
TE - Kellen Winslow Jr. -not even a contest
RB- FWP -I will concede this point. If we are talking in their respective primes (right now for FWP) then 8-ball Jamal absolutely kills FWP, but right now. Jamal is still a very savy and capable veteran who can pick up blitz's like noone. He also has to love not being the focus of the defense for once in his career.
FB-Vickers- refer to the FWP argument and reverse the names
LT - Joe Thomas-probowler as a rookie
LG- Eric Steinbach worth the big bucks we paid him and it bumped up fanaca's asking price which is why you lost him, the loss of Fanaca will hurt more than you think
C- Fraley -not great but better than your unsettled position
RG- Colon
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