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You have the right, but do it with your own money.
Definately
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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the difference being a bill sent through the legislative branch of this government. do you get it Mrs. Ed? it wasn't decided by 4 judges. obviously you don't believe in laws. or following laws. but you want them all changed so your ilk can overrrule what the majority of Americans believe. you're a fine example of the blame America first crowd.
You're just plain wrong here, not a matter of opinion. At one time, most Americans were ok with slavery, then segregation, but both were not Constitutional. So, even though the "people" were against it, these practices were abolished. Get it, pp? It's a matter of civil rights, not what the majority of Americans believe. It's about law, get it? The day will come when it becomes federal law that states can't deny gays their right to marriage and you all will just find something else to hate. It's getting old. You know, speaking of what most Americans believe, I think those of you on the far right are about to find out just what most think of you when you lose at least 20-30 Congressional seats. You're conservative "movement" has come to a crushing conclusion. You're done. Arnold and McCain are the future of the Republican party.
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Case in point ...vote no on fat marriages and yes on fat banishment.
I dont want my kids growing up thinking its ok to be fat
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go get him ACLU gas passer. come on, show your pride for the civil liberties of the obese against the 23 year old foreman, lol
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Correct. However I do not want my tax dollars going to fix someone elses mistake. I don't like publicly funded abortions. I don't want to be an accomplice to a life being snuffed out. You have the right, but do it with your own money.
Fine, you won't have to pay for any abortions (do you have to now?). It seems we agree on this. What's your problem with my stand here?
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Case in point ...vote no on fat marriages and yes on fat banishment.
I dont want my kids growing up thinking its ok to be fat
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go get him ACLU gas passer. come on, show your pride for the civil liberties of the obese against the 23 year old foreman, lol
He made a great point here, pp. Don't dodge it, address it......if you can.
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Yall have a good evening.
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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Reputation:99
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Since:Jan 8, 2007
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Because firing someone because of their state of being is illegal
As it should be. The same rule should apply to someones state of mind. Why does the way we think not get protected by civil rights, but what turns us on does? Seems very arbitrary to me. Both should be covered.
Also, this state of being thing I find vague. I do think some people are more prone to be gay than others, but I have failed to see the evidence proving that being gay is biological and not neurological. I have no problem with gays either way. It's their choice, so be it. I'm just saying that the state of being argument is not very rigorous in my mind.
Look, right now there is a group of people being denied the rights of the majority simply because of bigotry, fear, and hate. Just like segregation, this is not a "state issue".
Eh, shades of grey here. I agree that if we were arguing "should being homosexual be against the law" then you're right. Not a state issue. Being gay is not against the law and should not be cause for discrimination.
We're arguing something specific and something that is a definition though, not a right. Marriage was a religious creation, not a governmental one. Government co-opted marriage and uses it as a legal institution now. So I think the question of who can be married is a relevant one. So I do think marriage is between a man and a woman by definition. I think the gays should get the same rights as those couples in civil unions though.
Either is abortion. It's a civil rights issue.
Completely disagree here. Where do you draw the line? Is stealing a civil rights issue? Is murder? Of course not. The problem of abortion is where do we define what a human being is. This is legitimate discussion and not something that can be trivialized as a civil right. This is a specific issue not covered by the constitution so it is a states right in my opinion until someday it is somehow proven when life beings.
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Fine, you won't have to pay for any abortions (do you have to now?). It seems we agree on this. What's your problem with my stand here?
I don't have a problem with your stand. I wasn't responding to your post there, so I don't know what the issue was?
I do think some of our tax dollars go to provide for abortions for the poor. I'd honetly rather they give it to them in cash or food than have my money go to preventing something from being able to live. Honestly it is practical though. I just don't know about ethical.
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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Carolina Family man for abortion and gay marriage
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Reputation:93
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Since:Dec 11, 2007
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Because firing someone because of their state of being is illegal
As it should be. The same rule should apply to someones state of mind. Why does the way we think not get protected by civil rights, but what turns us on does? Seems very arbitrary to me. Both should be covered.
Ok, so let's say that cranium-man is employed by an university. He makes statements saying the stuff he says on this thread. Does the university have the right to fire him, or should his racism be protected as free thought?
We're arguing something specific and something that is a definition though, not a right. Marriage was a religious creation, not a governmental one. Government co-opted marriage and uses it as a legal institution now. So I think the question of who can be married is a relevant one. So I do think marriage is between a man and a woman by definition. I think the gays should get the same rights as those couples in civil unions though.
But you need a marriage license from the government to get married, legally. This is about the benefits of being married. These benefits have nothing to do with religion.
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