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RaiderCAL7,
very simply , Jesus was the gospel, gospel = good news , he was the messiah whom God sent to atone for the sins of mankind......... he was sent to proclaim the truth , and fullfill all the prophesies that predicted his coming, and then to ultimately pay the price... John and Mathew are simply proclaiming all they saw.... Luke wanted to compile an accurate account of what happend.......... all four , had different writing styles and different people groups they were writing to.....Mathew was a Jew and his was aimed toward the Jews..Luke's was aimed more towards Gentiles.....
sorry i cant continue i have a dirty diaper to change....
This is nice snyopisis of what you believe the NT is, but it doesn't seem to answer my question of why didn't Jesus write the gospel(s)?
Moreover if Jesus was sent to "proclaim the truth", then it would seem to me that it would make even more sense for him to have written the gospel(s). At the very least, it raises the additional question of why were his proclamations only came in verbal form. Was Jesus illiterate (not uncommon for the time)?
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Archeological evidence has lead us to believe evolution started from a single cell and gradually evolved into some of the complexity and variety that we see today.
So what did the single cell evolve from? To trully believe in evolution you have to believe that it always has been right. Or did evolution just conveniently start at the single cell? If you know( or should I say the experts) without a shadow of a doubt of everything that has transpired from this first single cell to now, how can you not keep going back and show where the single cell came from?
The only answer that makes sense is because evolution is the engine behind speciation and is fact BRD.
If you can not prove from where the single cell came from evolution is therory not fact BRD. Something that can not be proved leaves reasonable doubt. That is where faith comes in. Your faith is do you believe in goo to zoo to you or ID, a creator, a God with a master plan? For me the inconsistancy of science overwhelmingly points me to a God with a plan.
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Jjoey,
Sorry, I don't have much time. I would like to read some of the links and videos provided by some of the others but won't be able to in the near future. I would like to answer this as best I can.
I don't want to speak for everyone in here but I do believe some of us have Christian backgrounds. Myself, RJD (I think), Dog (possibly), and Smoove (not sure). Also this is a theology thread but I haven't seen too many (if any) Muslims, Hindus, Budhists, Jews, etc making extraordinary claims. I would guess those are two of the main reasons. I haven't been "planning" any stump the Christian questions with anyone in here...so I will speak for myself there.
Jjoey,
Building on what Cher has written, I can assure you I am not collaborating with any of the other non-believers on this thread. I can also confirm that I am a recovering Irish Catholic .
I think most atheists/agnostics would not be surprised that I come from a Christian background as it has been my experience that a great majority of the non-believers usually do. In fact, I think this lil` tidbit should illuminate my position. Given my Christian upbringing, it should be obvious that I am well aware that I risk spending an eternity in hell fire for my non-belief. Furthermore, I have attempted to persuade others to relinquish their path to eternal bliss. According to my Christian upbringing, I am living my life in a most terrible way. The fact that I admit this, yet openly and continuously reject Christianity should provide some insight as to how inadequate I find the reasons for being a Christian are.
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Rookies,
I quess I should have prefaced the testimony.. It is not mine but that of a brother of mine whom I studied with. He has alot of good stuuf on his website.
The testimonial is indeed powerful. On the other hand how does this testimonial prove JC was the son of God and performed miracles?
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Smoove, whats up?
The testimonial is indeed powerful. On the other hand how does this testimonial prove JC was the son of God and performed miracles?
You are a smart person and know as well as I do that proof in outside of all understanding. How high is up. How long do you go east before you are going west? Where did life start? and prove it. Faith is the key. If truth is what you seek truth is what you will find. Peace..
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RJD,
Second, you accusing me of circular logic is really funny, considering that the entire edifice of Christianity is this....Christ is our savior and died for our sins. We know he was the messiah because the Bible says so. We know the Bible is right because it recounts certain historically significant events and the holy spirit confirms anything else that is metaphysical. We know the spirit does this because the Bible says so.
....so, the Bible is right because the Bible says so.
It is interesting that you bring the issue of evidence up, because just last week the "Check Engine" light came on in my car. I'm positive this was because someone cast a spell on my ride. I consulted with my D&D book, and discovered that it had to be either Warlock1 , Warlock2 , or Witch1 who cast that spell. When I asked the gremlin who lives under my bed, he told me it was Warlock2 who cast the spell.
Armed with that kind of evidence, it was rather easy to "prove" that Warlock2 was the culprit.
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Rookies,
I agree, we need to increase the peace homie.
You are a smart person and know as well as I do that proof in outside of all understanding.Sadly, I actually confuse quite easily. Do you care to expound on this?
Where did life start? and prove itMay I ask the same of you? My answer is that I don't know how life originated (abiogenisis).
Faith is the key.I wouldn't say faith in and of itself is necessarily a bad thing. But what you're speaking of is faith in the supernatural. Faith in the supernatural typically attaches all sorts of caveats, stipulations, rewards, and punishments with little to no (good) reasoning behind them.
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Rookie,
So what did the single cell evolve from?
I don't know that there is a leading theory on this. There might be but I doubt it's considered fact by the experts. What is considered fact is that evolution has been happening for billion of years and it is responsible for the variety of life we see today.
To trully believe in evolution you have to believe that it always has been right.
I don't know what this means.
Or did evolution just conveniently start at the single cell?
Not likely. What's your point? Because there is an unknown...it's false? What happens when the unkown becomes known? Most "unbelievers" just move on to another unkown. Life is close to being created in the lab as we speak. Some think it has already been accomplished.
If you know( or should I say the experts) without a shadow of a doubt of everything that has transpired from this first single cell to now, how can you not keep going back and show where the single cell came from?
I can watch the bread rise in my oven without knowing exactly how all the individual parts are interacting. Does God make the bread rise or is it the ingredients plus heat? Of course we can't recount the play by play of billions of years of evolution. You have admitted that evolution is occuring today but I doubt you can give me the play by play on exactly how a finches beak adapts to changes in it's environment. I doubt you can tell me the exact steps from a wolf to a poodle...yet we know you believe these things are possible. Asking for the play by play all the way back through time is a bit of a cop out IMO. And if you didn't already know...evolution is not a theory on the origins of life. If you want to know how life got it's start you should debate the merits of panspermia, or deep sea thermal vents, or ice beginnings, or God, or spontaneous generation, or any other theory on origins...but evolution does not make claims about origins.
If you can not prove from where the single cell came from evolution is therory not fact BRD.
Evolution is simply a change in a population of organisms over time. You have admitted as much that you think animals are adapting today to their environment. That IS evolution.
Your faith is do you believe in goo to zoo to you or ID, a creator, a God with a master plan?
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