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Nice post Kaara. This may very well be how the roster shakes out. Although, it seems very unclear how the 5 spot will wind up and who will get the reserve guard/small forward minutes. With Nankivil's defense and rebounding it is not out of the realm of possibility that he sees the starting role at center. And, I think Jarmusz got the leg up on everyone else for a good chunk of the G/SF minutes.
Once again I am amazed at how flexible Ryan's system is and the possibilities and interchangeable parts. Really with Jarmusz's size he can play the 3 and stretch the defense on the perimeter like we have not seen with Krabbenhoft. I think Bo would be very comfortable playing Bohannon at the 1 with Jarmusz at the 2. Jason's blossoming ability to create his own shot makes that prospect viable. The question would become defense, but Bohannon got a lot better this year and Jarmusz obviously passed Leuer in Bo's mind for defensive responsibility.
Think about the outside shooting potential of next year's team. Leuer looks capable of equaling if not passing Butch's 3 point efficiency. Bohannon will be another year's worth better. Landry really came on toward the end of the this season from 3 pt range. Add to that more minutes for Jarmusz, who shot 3's at a 50% clip in highschool. And also hopefully Trevon's shooting woes toward the end were ankle induced so his numbers will be better. This could be a very fun team to watch from the arc. Maybe we'll get a chance to shoot down Duke at the Kohl Center next year.
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YOU LAME! I was going to start this thread after I handed in my paper tomorrow. Oh well, here's my take on it.
Starting Lineup
- Trevon Hughes
- Jason Bohannon
- Joe Krabbenhoft
- Marcus Landry
- Jon Leuer
I agree with you for the most part. I'd put money on Pop, JBo, Krabbs, Landry, and Leuer being the starting five to begin the year. But depending on how far Leuer progresses during the offseason on his inside game and body I can see Berggren taking his spot when the Big Ten season comes around.
Key Reserves
I'll do this a bit differently. By position, including starters, and only including the three that will play the most minutes at that position:
- Point guard - Hughes, JTaylor, JBo
- Shooting guard - JBo, Jarmusz, RWilson
- Small forward - Krabbenhoft, Jarmusz, Evans
- Power forward - Landry, Nankivil, Leuer
- Center - Leuer, Berggren, Nankivil
Krabbs will lead the team in minutes, followed by Hughes, Landry, and Bohannon.
Now by person. Not necessarily in order of playing time.
- Jared Berggren - I think he'll be a starter halfway through the year, so you had to expect he'd be near the top of the list.
- Jordan Taylor - We saw that Hughes may be susceptible to injury this year, so the fact that Taylor is more ready than Wilson is amplified by the fact that he might need to play significant minutes on short notice. On the other hand, Hughes rarely leaves the game, which would cut into Taylor's minutes.
- Tim Jarmusz - He's got the experience advantage over Wilson and Evans, and both of those two still have a lot of work to do. I know that I didn't list Landry as a center or Krabbs at PF, but Bo liked using that lineup this year. Jarmusz will see minutes at the 3 if he does it again next year because Krabbs almost never comes out and will spend most of his time at the 3. Jarmusz will probably see more minutes at the 2.
- Keaton Nankivil - He'll rest Landry at the 4 as well as see time at the 5. He won't get as much playing time as he could. Also, he really couldn't redshirt this year because there are FIVE players coming in next year (all right, originally there were four, but that's still a lot).
- Robert Wilson - He loses out on playing time because he's behind JBo, Krabbs, and Jarmusz. Like I said above, Jarmusz gets the minutes because of his experience. Wilson also has work left to do, and he should over take Jarmusz after a year or two.
- Ryan Evans - The wild card. Could be the #2 guy behind Krabbs at the 3, could redshirt.
Other Reserves
You should notice that I just listed 11 player that could play important parts next year. The past couple years Bo has not used more than 8 at a time. Here's the rest.
- Ian Markolf - Should redshirt. He's better than Gavinski, but there's enough depth and he has enough work left to do to justify him redshirting.
- Kevin Gullikson - I've always given him credit for doing what is asked of him - eat minutes, take a beating, and draw some fouls. The thing is, Nankivil does everything Gullikson does better as well as being able to do other things as well.
- Mo Cain - Will continue to anchor the scout team. He'd be a decent player on a midmajor.
- Brett Valentyn - If he's back (I'm still holding out hope that Pomlee or Nunn will come on as a preferred walkon) he'll get his minute during blowouts. Will he be able to run the scout team and prepare the starters as well as Tanner did?
- JP Gavinski - I really think he'd be able to do more for himself on another team. I really does make me feel cr4p because he's supposedly a reall good guy and I'm always calling for him to leave.
Record
I doubt the Badgers go 16-2 again. Getting to 30 wins is a possibility, but I don't think it will happen either. Don't mistake that as me saying that my expectations for next year's team are less than this year's team, it's just that this year's team exceeded my expectations that much. I'm not going to give a record prediction until I see a schedule, but top three in the Big Ten and no worse than a Sweet Sixteen appearance are my expectations.
Post Season Awards
Landry gets first team all-Big Ten, Hughes gets second (could get first) and possible all-defensive team, Krabbenhoft gets second team all-B10 and defensive team, JBo gets third team all-B10 (possible second team), Berggren gets all-freshmen team, Leuer gets honorable mention. Obviously those won't all happen, but any of them could.
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And by the way, Landry and Krabbenhoft need 36 wins to set the school record for wins by a class with 106. This year's class just broke the old record by racking up 105. I don't think they'll do it, but they could come close. I DO expect Hughes and Bohannon to set the record in 2009-10. They already have 61 wins and don't have the 19-win 2006-07 season holding them back like this year's and next year's classes do. They only need 22.5 wins each of the next two years to break the record, and I've already said that their senior year is what I expect to be the best Badger team in recent memory (yes, better than Tucker&Co and better than this year's team). I hope that next year's team will make the Final Four. I damn near EXPECT the 2009-10 version to make it. That may change if they don't get Jamil Wilson, but it would only change to damn near EXPECTING an Elite Eight appearance.
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I agree with you for the most part. I'd put money on Pop, JBo, Krabbs, Landry, and Leuer being the starting five to begin the year. But depending on how far Leuer progresses during the offseason on his inside game and body I can see Berggren taking his spot when the Big Ten season comes around.
I see where you are coming from but Leuer and Bergerren can BOTH play both the PF and Center spots as can Nankivil and frankly as can Ladnry who can also play the 3 spot. Then of course Krabs can play the 2, 3 & 4 spots. The front line on next years team is so versatile it is almost mind numbing. That said, Bo seems like he gets pretty lokced in on his starting rotations and doesn;t give them up easily (this year was the exception becasue of the goofiness with Flwoers to star the season). However that doesn't mean that Berggren might not play more minutes, so I see your scenario as plausible but unlikely in the "technical" sense of being the starter, though he may end up with more minutes.
I'll do this a bit differently. By position, including starters, and only including the three that will play the most minutes at that position:
- Point guard - Hughes, JTaylor, JBo
- Shooting guard - JBo, Jarmusz, RWilson
- Small forward - Krabbenhoft, Jarmusz, Evans
- Power forward - Landry, Nankivil, Leuer
- Center - Leuer, Berggren, Nankivil
I think with Wilson's length you could see him playing some mintes at teh Small Forward spot this year. Mostly at the two but he could see some at the 3.
Tim Jarmusz - He's got the experience advantage over Wilson and Evans, and both of those two still have a lot of work to do. I know that I didn't list Landry as a center or Krabbs at PF, but Bo liked using that lineup this year. Jarmusz will see minutes at the 3 if he does it again next year because Krabbs almost never comes out and will spend most of his time at the 3. Jarmusz will probably see more minutes at the 2.
Robert Wilson - He loses out on playing time because he's behind JBo, Krabbs, and Jarmusz. Like I said above, Jarmusz gets the minutes because of his experience. Wilson also has work left to do, and he should over take Jarmusz after a year or two.
Record
I doubt the Badgers go 16-2 again. Getting to 30 wins is a possibility, but I don't think it will happen either. Don't mistake that as me saying that my expectations for next year's team are less than this year's team, it's just that this year's team exceeded my expectations that much. I'm not going to give a record prediction until I see a schedule, but top three in the Big Ten and no worse than a Sweet Sixteen appearance are my expectations.
Everyone is sold on Purdue because of their youth. I'm not. Purdue, IMO, looks like a really good team that is going to stay a really good team but not escalate much. It's their style of play and "HOW" they win their games. In a certain way they remind me of Marquette the last few years. Very guard oriented and perimeter oriented. I mean has Marquette really gotten any noticeably better than they were two years ago as freshman?? I foresee the same sort of thing out of purdue. Now Purdue going forward won't lose to Wofford or a few other of the nonfconference teams they lost to this year but honestly somewhere between 16-2 and 14-4 is where these Purdue guys will be for the next few years, they don;t strike me as a team who can run the table int he Big Ten is what i am saying. For the Badgers I don;t see any reason next years team would be substantially worse than this years and the POSSIBILITY of being slightly better actually exists. Techincally the Badgers ahve gotten better every single year Bo has been here, yes I remember the 19 win season but to me that team was better than the team before it, it just got undercut by the suspensions of Stiemsma and Landry and the defection of DeAaron Willams at semester break (remember that team started out 14-1 before those guys got suspended and/or left the team). So I don;t see any reason next years team cannot come within a game or two either way of this eyars team, bettering the record would be pretty tough, equalling it should be a realistic goal.This is where you and I differ. I think Jarmusz's minutes this year came more out of neccessity than want. I was not sold on his defense at all, he looked real slow. He also didn;t look near as athletic as Krabbenhoft or even JBo. I think Wilson's athleticism and defense will earn him more minutes than Jarmusz next year. Throw in Ryan Evans, Diamond Taylor and potentially Jamil Wilson and I think Jarmusz will see the writing on the wall and will transfer by semester break. Nothing against the kid but I just don't see how he gets himself on the floor with the talent we have at his postion(s) coming in. HE can play the 2 or the 3 but man we have some talented 2 & 3 players coming that I don't think he stacks up very well against.
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I agree with you for the most part. I'd put money on Pop, JBo, Krabbs, Landry, and Leuer being the starting five to begin the year. But depending on how far Leuer progresses during the offseason on his inside game and body I can see Berggren taking his spot when the Big Ten season comes around.
I see where you are coming from but Leuer and Bergerren can BOTH play both the PF and Center spots as can Nankivil and frankly as can Ladnry who can also play the 3 spot. Then of course Krabs can play the 2, 3 & 4 spots. The front line on next years team is so versatile it is almost mind numbing. That said, Bo seems like he gets pretty lokced in on his starting rotations and doesn;t give them up easily (this year was the exception becasue of the goofiness with Flwoers to star the season). However that doesn't mean that Berggren might not play more minutes, so I see your scenario as plausible but unlikely in the "technical" sense of being the starter, though he may end up with more minutes.
I'll do this a bit differently. By position, including starters, and only including the three that will play the most minutes at that position:
- Point guard - Hughes, JTaylor, JBo
- Shooting guard - JBo, Jarmusz, RWilson
- Small forward - Krabbenhoft, Jarmusz, Evans
- Power forward - Landry, Nankivil, Leuer
- Center - Leuer, Berggren, Nankivil
I think with Wilson's length you could see him playing some mintes at teh Small Forward spot this year. Mostly at the two but he could see some at the 3.
Tim Jarmusz - He's got the experience advantage over Wilson and Evans, and both of those two still have a lot of work to do. I know that I didn't list Landry as a center or Krabbs at PF, but Bo liked using that lineup this year. Jarmusz will see minutes at the 3 if he does it again next year because Krabbs almost never comes out and will spend most of his time at the 3. Jarmusz will probably see more minutes at the 2.
Robert Wilson - He loses out on playing time because he's behind JBo, Krabbs, and Jarmusz. Like I said above, Jarmusz gets the minutes because of his experience. Wilson also has work left to do, and he should over take Jarmusz after a year or two.
This is where you and I differ. I think Jarmusz's minutes this year came more out of neccessity than want. I was not sold on his defense at all, he looked real slow. He also didn;t look near as athletic as Krabbenhoft or even JBo. I think Wilson's athleticism and defense will earn him more minutes than Jarmusz next year. Throw in Ryan Evans, Diamond Taylor and potentially Jamil Wilson and I think Jarmusz will see the writing on the wall and will transfer by semester break. Nothing against the kid but I just don't see how he gets himself on the floor with the talent we have at his postion(s) coming in. HE can play the 2 or the 3 but man we have some talented 2 & 3 players coming that I don't think he stacks up very well against.
Record
I doubt the Badgers go 16-2 again. Getting to 30 wins is a possibility, but I don't think it will happen either. Don't mistake that as me saying that my expectations for next year's team are less than this year's team, it's just that this year's team exceeded my expectations that much. I'm not going to give a record prediction until I see a schedule, but top three in the Big Ten and no worse than a Sweet Sixteen appearance are my expectations.
Everyone is sold on Purdue because of their youth. I'm not. Purdue, IMO, looks like a really good team that is going to stay a really good team but not escalate much. It's their style of play and "HOW" they win their games. In a certain way they remind me of Marquette the last few years. Very guard oriented and perimeter oriented. I mean has Marquette really gotten any noticeably better than they were two years ago as freshman?? I foresee the same sort of thing out of purdue. Now Purdue going forward won't lose to Wofford or a few other of the nonfconference teams they lost to this year but honestly somewhere between 16-2 and 14-4 is where these Purdue guys will be for the next few years, they don;t strike me as a team who can run the table int he Big Ten is what i am saying. For the Badgers I don;t see any reason next years team would be substantially worse than this years and the POSSIBILITY of being slightly better actually exists. Techincally the Badgers ahve gotten better every single year Bo has been here, yes I remember the 19 win season but to me that team was better than the team before it, it just got undercut by the suspensions of Stiemsma and Landry and the defection of DeAaron Willams at semester break (remember that team started out 14-1 before those guys got suspended and/or left the team). So I don;t see any reason next years team cannot come within a game or two either way of this eyars team, bettering the record would be pretty tough, equalling it should be a realistic goal.</td>
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