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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 21, 2007
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The only way what you are saying is valid would be if you truly believe that Devin Harris would change the balance and allow the Mavs to win the series. Otherwise, the trade had no effect. Same thing with the Suns. You must believe that if Marion was still on the Suns instread of Shaq, the Suns would be on the verge of eliminating the Spurs.
As far as the Mavs are concerned, I don't think the trade made them better to the degree it needed to for them to win a title this year. I do believe the roster has more talent on it today than it did the day before the trade, but I don't think the increase in talent is enough to get the job done. Does that make it a bad trade? Only if Harris triples his talent and becomes one of the top point guards in the league. But it isn't like the Mavs can't recover from it if after Kidd is gone. They let Nash walk before he won his 2 MVP's and Nash has never played in the NBA finals. Dirk and Company have.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 21, 2007
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The thing that Devin Harris could do was run, play defense, drive to the basket, and make open jump shots. None of which Jason Kidd is capable of doing anymore. I have never seen a player wide open and continue to refuse to take shots. I kept hearing how Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard would benefit greatly after getting Kidd and I haven't even seen that. The Dallas offense is still basically Dirk gtting the ball facing up and shooting a jumper so what's the difference between Kidd and Harris running it. It was better when Harris was doing it because there were more scoring options.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:91
Level:All-Star
Since:Jun 20, 2007
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They have to address the shooting guard position in the off season. Stack is done, Terry is too small. Why is Avery using JJ Barrea instead of Tyrone Lue and not allowing the Mavs to run? They need more scorers.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 18, 2008
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...DUH!!!
Get your head out of Cubans butt Mavs Man. Harris would change the balance and allow the Mavs to when the series. Harris provided the energy that the Mavs dont have anymore. Harris provided the speed that the Mavs dont have anymore and Harris provided quality defense at the guard spot that the mavs dont have anymore. and not to mention Diop. Diop provided a quality backup for Damp and sometimes Damp was a quality backup for Diop. The Mavericks need a guard with speed and another big man. We had those before the trade.
Mark Cuban is an idiot and he should take responsiblity for screwing this team up. Next year when the Nets make the playoffs and the Mavs barely make it in or barely miss it, maybe you will see the mistakes Cuban has made.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:74
Level:Pro
Since:Oct 3, 2006
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So let me get this straight Mavsman you think getting to the NBA Finals and losing 4 straight is a big accomplishment.Typical Mavs fan whole bunch of bark and no bite you and all your '"FANS' sure talk a lot a lot of crap for a team that chokes in the playoffs every year. As for the Devin Harris for Jason Skid trade all Spurs fans did a toast to Mark Cuban for being so stupid to make this trade. Devin created matchup problems for Tony Parker with his speed. As for Jason Skid the Spurs coyote could guard him. Another choke job by the Mavs and Dirk Noringski.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 19, 2007
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Harris is already a better player than Kidd at this point in his career. You're also not mentioning the draft picks.
Marion is a much better player at this point than Shaq.
Mavs/Suns are done because of these foolish moves.
Anything else?
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:82
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 7, 2008
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harris was the truth. he was a huge part of our offense as far as getting to the basket and he would have guarded CP3 much better
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:82
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 7, 2008
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AND diop was better than damps crusty a$$. damp is out there tripping all over himself trying to guard David West on the pertimeter. diop was quick and athletic for us. damp is so off-balance and has the worst hands of anyone i've ever seen.
cuban really gambled and missed.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:79
Level:Pro
Since:Apr 4, 2008
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Your an idiot trading for kid was a huge mistake harris is a lot better and may not have made a difference this year but will in the future but we all know that kidd won't help us cuz he is old and not even close to what he used to be and trust me on this harris will be one of the premiere point guards in the league in a couple of years.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:79
Level:Pro
Since:Apr 4, 2008
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Your an idiot trading for kid was a huge mistake harris is a lot better and may not have made a difference this year but will in the future but we all know that kidd won't help us cuz he is old and not even close to what he used to be and trust me on this harris will be one of the premiere point guards in the league in a couple of years.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 21, 2008
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Harris didn't do crap for us in the post season and we would still be down 3-1 with him. Hell we might be watching the post season if we keep him. He got owned last year and the year before in the finals. When you loss in the 1st round and loss 4 in a row in the finals you have to make a move. Maybe GS should make some moves instead of telling us what a mistake it was. As for shaq it didn't make sense but they need to beat Duncan. They all look bad now but what are you going to do when you continue to loss in the post season, making moves is the only answer. Kidd was a all-star and ran the show for the olympic team as well. Lebron wanted him because he is suppose to make everybody better. We can't help the howard sucks and smokes to much dope or that stack looks 100 years old or that damp can move or catch the ball. That isn't Kidds fault, Harris didn't make anybody better. I have to blame Avery for not adjusting to want the team needs to do and thats get to the line and run as fast as they can up and down, that is kidds style not half court. Blame Avery and Howard and damp and stack not Kidd. This team was going nowhere and I would much rather try then be like Den or GS who stayed with what they had and continued to suck.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 10, 2007
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When you loss in the 1st round and loss 4 in a row in the finals you have to make a move. Maybe GS should make some moves instead of telling us what a mistake it was.
Which again raises the question about the lack of moves last summer.
I think they gave up way too much for Kidd. I'm not even sure I would have given up a starting PG, a solid center, and two 1st round draft picks for LeBron. To me, losing Diop was more significant than losing Harris, especially when our starting center actually makes me long for the Praying Mantis again. *shudders*
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Oct 1, 2006
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NJ gave the Mavs the KY JElly treatment in the trade......OK I will not even argue that the MAVS are better with Kidd (I don not agree though), but lets say they are.......They still were out played in every aspect of.....THE FIRST ROUND...Now it is on to next year and we have a has been point guard that is capable of 10 assists a night BUT the team knows he is not going to shoot......Pass first every time Kidd is too easy to defend when you know he is not going to shoot.....
Now the Trade: Young talent (#5 draft pick) who scored 20+ points in his debut with NJ, PLUS DJ M., and you paid 5 Million to Keith Van Horn just to use his name......AND to kick it off you gave TWO first round picks....FOR 35 year old Jason Kidd......
Finally you turned down a trade for Kobe that did not include Dirk.....
Ok the Kidd Trade was good............good for NJ
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 25, 2007
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Ramblin, you made some good points, but jeez...how many times do people have to understand that Kobe would never have agreed to a trade UNLESS Dirk was still playing on the Mavs.
And definitely, after this series, you got to agree that Dirk is the only thing the Mavs got going for it. That and they need to lock up Bass to a longer contract stat.
He would have went from one losing situation to another. But, the Lakers front office was smart and got him what he needed. The Mavs front office, did NOT, really get what the Mavs needed. They needed to fix the hole in the 2 position. The Mavs failed to get Maggette during the offseason, and then, before the trade deadline, Cuban and all were fixated on Kidd. Heck, they probably could have got Artest from Sac for Diop and Stackhouse and some of that cash Cuban was willing to spend. Then the Mavs could have forced Howard down to the 2 (which he might as well play at since he has caught some disease where he can't drive to the basket).
THAT also wouldn't have screwed up the Mavs future. Cuban and co. closed the window on this current era, but getting rid of Howard, all the old timers, and trading Kidd to the highest bidder will be the only thing to potentially get them back into the postseason starting 2010.
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Let's face it, trading for Kidd was a mistake...
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 8, 2007
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Why is everyone talking like Harris was an all-star PG. Where was he in 06, where was he against the Warriors. People should calm down on the thought process that he would have carried the Mavs to the 2nd round. I think the trade will hurt the Mavs more so due to the loss in draft picks.
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