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Doyel you are an idiot. Picking up a superstar player is a great way to win a championship. It doesn't work everytime only because one team can win the championship. Lets take a look back at some recent title winners. The Miami Heat picked up disgruntled star Shaq, what happens, they win the NBA title. The Pistons trade for disgruntled star Rasheed Wallace, the result you may ask, an NBA title. I don't know if the Lakers will win it or not, but the Pau Gasol trade is looking prety good. Not every trade works, but that happens in every sport. How about when the Bulls picked up disgruntled Dennis Rodman, did that work Doyel? Why don't you do all of us a favor and think before you put a crap article on this site. I just feel like I had some of my time wasted by reading the junk you just put on this site. Thanks for letting us know that the J Kidd, Shaq, and AI trades haven't worked out.
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Well said. That article was pathetic. Almost everyone questioned the Shaq trade and the Kidd trade at the times they happened, I don't think too many people are surprised at how that turned out. As for Iverson, if he was really such a loser how did he manage to carry a team to the NBA Finals and single-handedly give the Lakers their only postseason loss that year? I still think the AI trade can work out, because unlike Shaq AI can still get his points despite his age. Now, if Denver would only address the coaching situation, and get rid of Karl, who's idea of defense is "sag and pray," I think they could really be a threat (but maybe that's just the homer in me).
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I certainly agree that the article was written without thought of the situations that
have been successful. Possibly the tone of comments indicating that GM's should
now change their thinking and never trade for a disgruntled star, based on the writers great observation powers, should have be changed.
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I actually like reading this article and from what I gather he was not talking to the fans themselves although they are included. I felt this was to the general managers and executives that jumped on these deals with the idea it was the key to winning the championship.
The Lakers many feel got a way with one by getting Gasol. They feel that the NBA didn't pay attention to what was happing in that trade and the Lakers took advantage of Memphis. Gasol is not the type of player that the three mentioned here. He is more like the above mentioned Garrnet.
As far as Rodman and Wallace they went to teams that had great coaches and that alone is probably why they were able to play team ball. Besides those players had problems with athority not the issues specified in this article.
All in all I enjoyed this article and think that the ones that made the mistakes are paying for them. And, as we have seen the players, coaches, execs, have a lot to do with there organization and those that were mentioned look bad all the way around.
They need more than just coaching adjustments and that's the truth. Let's see what comes out of this disaster of a season by the Suns, Mavs, and Nuggets.
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As I see it, (in my humble opinion) defense isn't really played in the NBA until the playoffs roll around each year. (See NBA Handbook under: Put butts in the seats by scoring 100+ points each night.) So if your superstar addition can't or won't play defense it is absolutely glaring in the post season. Again in my opinion, it is also the reason that several college coaches give the pro coaching merry-go-round a try before returning to the college game.
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The_Eman, how did the Lakers take advantage of Memphis? Why should the NBA interfere with a trade? Memphis wanted to create salary space to rebuild. They could not afford Gasol and do that. Knowing they will need many pieces to do this they let their star go for what was essentially cap space. The Lakers traded expiring contracts which lets Memphis off of Gasol's $17 million price for next year. They have good young players to build around and need to make room for a couple more pieces and then start from there. They were looking to start over and the Lakers needed to win now. The trade works for both parties in terms of looking at what each is expecting to do as a result of the trade.
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Hey JBANK,
Didn't mean to offend here maybe I phrased that incorrectly.
I said:
The Lakers many feel got a way with one by getting Gasol. They feel that the NBA didn't pay attention to what was happing in that trade and the Lakers took advantage of Memphis. Gasol is not the type of player that the three mentioned here. He is more like the above mentioned Garrnet.
I meant that:
Many feel the Lakers got a way with one by getting Gasol. They feel that the NBA didn't pay attention to what was happing in that trade and the Lakers took advantage of Memphis. Gasol is not the type of player that the three mentioned here. He is more like the above mentioned Garrnet.
I was talking about the rumors and hearsay that was passed around in the Media. I for one am not complaining and was merely posting on the article. And, like Seattle moving to OK City it has to be approved by the NBA. I didn't say I liked it but, as plenty on these threads will remind us it is a business.
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No one is offended Eman. I have not heard many complain about the Gasol trade but only coach Popovich of the Spurs. He didn't like the trade because he knew it would push the Lakers to the top. I don't see any need as to why the NBA should have been paying closer attention, veto the trade or even frown upon it. It was a great move by the Lakers and a necessary one for the Grizzlies. Where were they going with Gasol? No where in the next couple of years, but they can rebuild with very talented young players and be a major factor in 5 years. In fact I heard on the radio AM 570 that the Gasol trade was first mentioned before the season even started and the Lakers were hesitant because they didnt really see the need until Bynum went down.
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Fair enough JBANK, I retract my statements. There was no talk about the Gasol trade. Hope to see you in the WCF. We'll see if the never talked about trade pays off.
Good luck with Utah.
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I agree with you thelionsstink, to some extent - but believe your examples are wrong. Doyel had good intentions in saying that losing superstars don't help a team looking for a championship. The thing about your examples, Pau Gasol, Dennis Rodman, and Rasheed Wallace is that they came from teams that did not receive as much attention as their future teams did. As a result, those three players were never in the limelight with their previous teams to the extent that they were or are with their new teams. Read on and you'll see why your three prime examples do not work, for the most part.
I'll start with Dennis Rodman. Rodman was not a disgruntled player with either the Pistons or the Spurs. In fact, he won an NBA championship with the Pistons and helped the Spurs and David Robinson to a 60-win regular season. The only reason he was traded away from the Spurs is because his off-court life with Madonna caused a stir. In addition, calling D-Robinson a guy with no heart didn't help his case. As a result, Rodman wasn't actually a disgruntled superstar - he was a guy used to winning that had psychological problems. Sure, he helped the Bulls win three NBA championships in a row, but they wouldn't have done that without the help of a guy named Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. Sure they improved to 72 wins from 47 after Rodman's arrival, but the was not as big a superstar as you give him credit for. His off-court life is a large reason as to why he became so famous. Yes, he won a few DPOY awards but that in itself does not make a player a superstar.
As for Shaquille O'Neal, he was used to winning as well. When a guy is used to winning (he three-peated with the Lakers) he generally doesn't have as sour a mouth as a guy like Allen Iverson who never won a championship - though he had one try at a finals if I'm not mistaken. Shaq was a superstar when he was traded, and there is no denying that. However, his stats had already begun to plummet. He averaged around 27ppg with the Lakers in 2002-03 and dropped six digits thereafter. Yes, he was quite disgruntled as we all know and there is quite a bit of speculation as to the conspiracy that ridded Shaq from Kobe Bryant's presence.
As for Pau Gasol, he's made a big impact on the Lakers success. However, the Lakers were already a winning franchise and did not need that much help. Had Andrew Bynum not fallen injured, he would not have been brought in as the Lakers were proving to be a dominating force in the league. Gasol, being a quite fellow not used to winning with the Grizzlies, never really complained openly about being on a mediocre-satisfactory team. Therefore, since Gasol was never really disgruntled as we all know Jason Kidd was in New Jersey (after having the opportunity to win an NBA championship but falling well short in the finals made him strive more, but he got old and the team didn't do as well).
I apologize if this post got boring and old, but I'm just saying that your examples aren't helping your point, as I've shown. The players you named were either used to winning in the past, not disgruntled, or came to a team that was already successful - or perhaps a combination of the three.
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Gregg. I agree with this guy. However, instead of calling you names, I will describe your articles. They are like a person needing to have a bile movement. They pass gas alot because they need to let go and when they do let go, the whole bathroom is funked up for hours. You just let loose a big one. For the next few days digest some smarts from people that know and then you won't funk up the place when you let go. ROLLING.
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I usually do not respond to stupid written articles like this but I can't help myself after reading this one. What does the trade Phoenix made to get Shaq have to do with his layers of fat and his fat ass. That is basically a personal attack on a player for no reason. Plus I wouldn't exactly call Shaq fat. He is pretty muscled upped if you ask me. I'm not sure what his body fat percentage is now but I know its not very high for a man his size. Gregg must have been mad at someone and just let it all loose in this article. Very poor choic of words. Unprofessional too.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you meant BOWEL movement, not bile. Bile helps digest food in the small intestine. Bowel is a general term for the intestines, specifically the colon. Sorry to be a nitpicker, but this goes beyond bad spelling.
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Great post thelionsstink.
He ads nothing to this site. I saw Bob Costas' special the other night, and basically they were saying that all these media mediums are killing sports and are negative in general. And all the "experts" blamed the equal exposure that the "regular guy" who has no credentials gets compared to the exposure the professional writer gets. We'll with crap like this article, why shouldn't everyone get the same exposure. This guys article belongs in the garbage.
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