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Tarkus' Nonsensical Musings and General Bruhaha


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Tarkus' Nonsensical Musings and General Bruhaha
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May 11, 2008 12:54 pm
niner,
I think I can be pretty unbiased with this.

I thought it was a dirty play both ways.  I think Osgood did it intentionally....and here's my reasoning.  If he didn't want to hit him in the face, then why did he put the buttend at face level?  He could have turned his stick to make it more parallel to the ice, but he definitely moved it towards Ribeiro's face.  That said, it was stupid, classless, and dirty for Ribeiro to come back with a two handed slash like that.

I say fine both players equally.....I don't really think that a suspension is necessary for either player, but I think its pretty close to being suspension worthy.

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May 11, 2008 1:10 pm
I'll agree that what Osgood did was dirty.  I guess we'll have to wait and see what the league is going to do.  I do not agree, though, that both players should be fined equally, because I don't think the acts are equal.  I've read on other threads that the two hander wasn't that bad because of Osgood's padding, but I hardly believe Ribeiro was thinking that while he was swinging.

This is just my opinion, and as I've said, also biased, but I think intent is the key word.  I don't think Osgood intended to injure Ribeiro, only slow him down. But there's no other way to interpret a two hander like that, padding or not.

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May 11, 2008 2:52 pm

Here's my $0.02 ... unbiased (b/c I honestly have no love or hate for Detroit or Dallas other than to say they are both great teams now and have been well run organizations for a long time) and as a former goalie ... albeit a complete hack of a goalie Haha

I will admit though that as a former goalie, I tend to stick up for them.  Guys are always crashing into you, slashing at you under the pretense of taking a final swat at the puck even when they know it's covered, etc.  And I played in rec leagues where the skating wasn't all that great, so sometimes I never knew if the guy crashed into me on purpose or by complete accident, but it can still be frustrating as hell.  So I do tend to stick up for goalies.


Point one ... I don't think Osgood intentially butt-ended Ribeiro in the face.  I say this because I can tell you that if you are holding a goalie stick in proper form .... which Osgood was doing at the time ... you have no idea as a goalie where your butt-end is.  (I've even made saves before where the puck beat me cleanly over the right shoulder, but then I would feel the stick vibrate in my hand because the puck caught the end of it ... that is just as good a feeling as hearing the puck strike iron.  But it is equally as lucky.)  It's not like a "skater" who has there hand up near the end of the stick and has complete control over it.  However, I do believe that Osgood obviously stuck his stick out to catch Ribeiro somewhere ... and it just so happened to catch him in the face.  It is still a reckless play, but not an intentional butt-end to the face.  I hope that makes sense.

Point two ... I can't excuse Ribeiro's response.  He could have caught Osgood in the throat area, and then we would have another Simon incident on our hands.  But fortunately he didn't.  That's my problem with it.  But I can understand why he would have been "hot" about getting a stick in the face.  A better response would have been to push Osgood in the mask and knock him over, and then get ready for the melee that ensued.  I just don't like to see guys using their sticks to go after one another.

Point three ... Once again not excusing Ribeiro, but Osgood without question embellished that.  I can tell you that I have been hit by pucks, sticks, skates, etc. in that area of the goalie equipment, and you barely feel a thing.  I mean think about it ... how many goalies have caught an Al MacInnis 100+ mph slap shot in the chest area?  And then how many of them toppled over on the ice in pain?  And that slash by Ribeiro had no where near the impact of an NHL-caliber slap shot.  That equipment is built to withstand a lot more impact than that ... that much I know for sure.

So in summary, I would fine Ribeiro for intentionally slashing a player ... that has got to be taken out of the game IMO, but I wouldn't suspend him b/c in my opinion if Osgood doesn't go down and make it look so bad, people really aren't talking about this.  And as for Osgood ... since he doesn't have a history of this that I'm aware of, I would say a warning is sufficient here.  Goalies are often sticking their equipment out to send a message to onrushing players, and he just happened to catch Ribeiro in the wrong place.

Anyway, that's my take ...


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May 11, 2008 3:18 pm
After reading the other opinions, I tend to agree with them a little more about Osgood.....and he did definitely flop.  The thing I have a problem with, though, is the recklessness of the play on Osgood's part.  What if it caught him in the eye or a good part in the throat?  Oh well.  Its done and over with.
Well, it looks like some of the idiots found the good Flyers and Pens thread.  Its a good thing we have this thread....most of the loonies stay away, and when they do come around, their stay is short lived.  I think its because the Pens fans smell funny.

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May 11, 2008 7:47 pm
Well, it looks like some of the idiots found the good Flyers and Pens thread.  Its a good thing we have this thread....most of the loonies stay away, and when they do come around, their stay is short lived.  I think its because the Pens fans smell funny.Hahahahahaha!  Good one, Tark!  But there is a lot of truth to that (not the smell funny part).  I've made some attempts at posting on other threads, and they just don't seem to take.  I always come back to this one because there's little to no sensationalism here.  You can ask a question and get an honest answer, not some diatribe from a person who takes the fanatic part of fan a little too seriously.

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May 11, 2008 10:33 pm
Ugh.......I'm not too happy right now.  This stinks.  Its going to take a seriously monumental effort to come back in this series.

But hey, the Flyers didn't play so badly tonight considering they were without their two top defensemen and were playing with only 5 for nearly the entire game.  Malkin was a complete nonfactor.....so that was good.  Biron was solid.

This may be the homer in me, but the Flyers aren't too far off.  They just need to continue on what they've been doing.  They CANNOT be down in the third period because the Pens will just choke the crap out of them.

COME ON, FLYERS!!!!!!!

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May 11, 2008 10:38 pm

I hear ya tark. Tough loss tonight and Hatcher was really getting me p!ssed off. If he keeps up the late punches and hits, he's going to cost this team the series.

Mike Richards has continued to step it up, but the Briere/Prospal/Hartnell line hasn't played their best. Hopefully Coburn makes it back for game 3, the Flyers were not far off tonight at all. At times they had the advantage in the game, but in the 3rd period they were slow and never got it going.

Game 3 is a must win for the Flyers if they want any chance at coming back in this series. The crowd in Philly will be nuts and the Flyers need to feed off of that right off the bat.

Let's go Flyers!


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May 11, 2008 10:51 pm
Unfortunately, guys, I think the Flyers are starting to run out of players.  Which is too bad, because when the season gets to this point, I really want to see all the teams' best players out there.  

Looks like must win game three's for both the Flyers and Stars.  Although I agree with Tark, the Flyers are pretty close.  Personal bias aside,  they are skating with the Penguins, while it doesn't look that way with the Stars and Red Wings.

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